Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them [Archive]

View Full Version : Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

melikianAvak

06-21-2007, 11:24 AM

Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to him
The UNO Charter states that the principle of the territorial integrity isn't applicable for the countries which do not secure equal rights for the nations and do not allow freedom of self-determination
02.06.2007 GMT+04:00
The history of the modern Azerbaijan goes almost according to Orwell, in spite of the historical facts and numerous confirmations about this or that land's belonging to various neighboring countries. To the territorial claims against Armenia the story with the Georgian monastery complex “Davit Garedji” is added now. Who Azerbaijan will sort out its relationship with next is hard to predict. It could be Dagestan, Iran, or Turkey. But before making any demands it is better to try and learn the history of the own nation and not to search any family tree where it doesn't exist; among Albanians, Persians, Turks etc.
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ In 1918 the Musafat party (Equality) first used the term “Azerbaijan” for the area situated on the territory of two Transcaucasian historical areas; Shirvana and Arrana. Before that the place-name “Azerbaijan” only referred to the territories situated to the south of the River Arax, in the area of Tebriz, Ardebil and Lake Urmia. Later the land of Azerbaijan and Eastern Transcaucasia (modern Azerbaijan) were populated with people of almost identical ethnic origins. In 1936 Azerbaijan was integrated into USSR on the bases of the Soviet Republic rights. The Azeri Turks were officially called Azerbaijani; Azerbaijani was also the name of their official language. It was then, when with the decision of the Soviet Government the Azeri written language was translated from Latin to Cyrillic.

This is how the things had been before Heydar Aliyev came to power in Azerbaijan. Taking the control of the country, he immediately decided to “revise” the history of the country. It was then, when Farida Mamedov's notorious work “The Caucasian Albania” appeared, Guliyev's book about medieval architecture of Albania where all the Armenian churches and khachkars were announced to be Albanian, i.e. Azerbaijani. All this enabled Baku to “revise” the belonging of the territories included in Az.USSR. The most interesting part is that the Deputy Minister of the Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan Khalaf Khalafov himself blurted out about the boarders. “In its time the USSR authorities didn't regard the issue of delimitation of the administrative rights among the former Soviet countries, which led to a number of problems in boarder delimitation. According to his words, often different documents referring to the issue of territories of this or that country contradict each other,” says Day.az. Historian Jamil Hasanly is sure that, “Many native Azeri territories have gone to the neighboring countries. Today we don't have to squander our territories. We must try to save what has been left to us after giving out Azeri lands, and today we cannot lose a single square meter”.

The parties' incapacity of finding a peaceful solution of the controversies concerning the territorial integrity as well as the right of nations' self-determination leads to national conflicts growing into military confrontation. The principle of territorial integrity exclusively works for the protection of the country against external aggression, and this is closely interconnected with its formula in UNO Charter; “All the UN Members in their international relations refrain from force or its implementation against the territorial inviolability or political independence of any country, as well as any other method incompatible with the objectives of the UNO”. However the UNO Charter states that the principle of the territorial integrity isn't applicable for the countries which do not secure equal rights for the nations and do not allow freedom of self-determination, and this, perhaps, is the most essential point in the resolution of the Karabakh Conflict. It should be reminded that the nation's right on self-determination is considered to be one of the universally recognized principles of international law. It gained recognition in the process of the colonial system breakdown and was toughened in the Declaration of Independence of the colonial countries and nations (by the Resolution N 1514 XV of the UN General Assembly adopted on December 14, 1960) and the consequent international pacts and declarations of UNO.

Creation of the multinational empires sooner or later brought to their breakdown; the Roman Empire, the Golden Horde, the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, USSR. Being one of the most significant features of independence, territorial integrity became one of the weakest points after the USSR breakdown. The main difficulty concerns the change of the administrative bounds in the former Soviet Union into public ones. But if Kosovo falls apart from Serbia why Nagorno-Karabakh can't be proclaimed an independent Republic? Maybe because Serbia is of much less importance to the USA than Azerbaijan, yet for Russia everything is just vise versa. Unfortunately once again Armenia has found itself between two rocks, in spite of all international principles and treaties.
«PanARMENIAN.Net» analytical department
! Reproduction in full or in part is prohibited without reference to «PanARMENIAN.Net».

KarotheGreat

06-21-2007, 11:34 AM

Are they kidding about this because this is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard

Karo

ottomans

08-03-2007, 03:21 AM

Armenian_3

08-03-2007, 04:31 AM

I think so! All problems come from history! Anatolia Seljuks emperor "Giyassettin Keykusrev II. " was half Armenian!

melikianAvak

08-05-2007, 08:45 PM

I wanna say something! Azerians,Turkmens,Turks,Tajik, and Uzbek Nations are same racial groups! We speak Turkish with dialect! But we understand us very clearly! Oughuz Turks came from Central Asia to Anatolia in 10. and 11. and 12. centruies! Azerbejian ground was our migration bridge So Karabath is belongs to Armenia and Azerbajian! Please observe "Turan idea" and role of Armenians
But Armenians helped Seljuk Turks to destroy Bzytium lands! And Seljuk Sultans' wife was Armenian and other emperors are half Armenian and Half Turk! All problems comes from history! By the way,Ottoman Sultans not Turk too,And Army too,,,ARMy soldiers was picking other nations(Greks,Bulgarians,Sirbians...etc)

Truth be known, you may only be 9% turk like most Turks from Turkey.
So if you are one of the exceptions, why not leave us and join the Real Turks.

Do you know your ethnic makup?

YAFES

08-09-2007, 03:23 AM

I wanna say something! Azerians,Turkmens,Turks,Tajik, and Uzbek Nations are same racial groups! We speak Turkish with dialect! But we understand us very clearly! Oughuz Turks came from Central Asia to Anatolia in 10. and 11. and 12. centruies! Azerbejian ground was our migration bridge So Karabath is belongs to Armenia and Azerbajian! Please observe "Turan idea" and role of Armenians
But Armenians helped Seljuk Turks to destroy Bzytium lands! And Seljuk Sultans' wife was Armenian and other emperors are half Armenian and Half Turk! All problems comes from history! By the way,Ottoman Sultans not Turk too,And Army too,,,ARMy soldiers was picking other nations(Greks,Bulgarians,Sirbians...etc)
They are %90 true! Last of seljuk Sultans' wife was armenian! For example: Gıyassettin II. 's wife was Armenian! So Anatolian Seljuks was going to end! coz that armenian woman was only making intrigue! So Anatolia Seljuks went downhill,After tht Mongols destroyed Seljuks in Kösedağ war (Kösedağ/Sivas region) %10 is wrong which ones? only last sultans of Seljuks was half Armenian not all of the emperors! .............. All Turks know Gıyassettin II.'s wife was armenian and Ottoman sultans are not Turk..There are no exceptions

melikianAvak

08-10-2007, 08:12 AM

They are %90 true! Last of seljuk Sultans' wife was armenian! For example: Gıyassettin II. 's wife was Armenian! So Anatolian Seljuks was going to end! coz that armenian woman was only making intrigue! So Anatolia Seljuks went downhill,After tht Mongols destroyed Seljuks in Kösedağ war (Kösedağ/Sivas region) %10 is wrong which ones? only last sultans of Seljuks was half Armenian not all of the emperors! .............. All Turks know Gıyassettin II.'s wife was armenian and Ottoman sultans are not Turk..There are no exceptions

For the people who can not read English, or understand the tittles of Posts.

The subject is -- Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them.

It is not about you, seljerks, mongols, or any other things you mind made up.
Don't believe everything you think!

YAFES

08-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Do you know the ancestors! They were there before Christ! the Scythians are Turkish ancestors! We have been there more than for 2000 years! When our ancestors Scythians had comen there,No Armenian was on Land! We only strived with Emp. Great Iskender and persians! LAND BELONG TURAN!

KarotheGreat

08-10-2007, 01:29 PM

:laugh:Yafes you're soo stupid it's funny man the sktians were a indo-european people like the saka ruka and manny other tribes in those steppes learn some real history lol rofl:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

EDIT: because you'r so dum I post some info abou the ancien Armenians

Hittite inscriptions deciphered by E. Forrer testify to the existence of a mountain country, the Hayasa, lying around the Lake of Van. Hayasa or Khayasa identified with Haik, Hayk or Hark, was inhabited before the coming of Armens. The suffix sa of Hayasa corresponds to the stan, derivative of Hayasatan (Armenia). Greeks knew about this country (Hayasa) and their writers wrote about armenians or hayers. The cuneiform tablets of Boghaz Keuy have preserved the names of four succesive kings who ruled in Hayasa. They were Karannish, Mariyash, Hukkanash and Anniyash, the four covering a period of 55 years, from 1390 to 1335 B.C.

The first-named of this kings made incursions into the Hatti or Hittite empire, which were checked by the Emperor Dudhaliyash and hid successor, Subbiluliuma. Mariyash, the next king of Hayasa, who had married a Hittite princess, was punished with death because of his breach of matrimonial contract. Hukkanash, the third in the line, also married a Hittite princess, the sister of the Emperor Subbiluliuma.

The marriage treaty of this couple contained some interesting stipulations peculiar to the time. “My sister, whom I gave you in marriage,” says the Hatti rular, “ has sisters; through your marriage, they now become your relatives. Well, there is a law in the land of the Hatti. Do not approach sisters-in-law or your cousins; that is not permitted. In Hatti Land, whosoever commits such an act does not live; he dies. . . In your country, you do not hesitate to marry your own sister-in-law or cousin, because you are not civilized. Such an act cannot be permitted in Hatti.”

Despite these restrictions imposed upon Hukkanash, he was no meek and submissive brother-in-law in political and military affairs. As a condition for the release of the thousands of Hittite prisoners held in his domain, he demanded first the return home of the Hayasan prisoners confined at Hatti. The Hittite Empire had been subject to contant harassment by its eastern neighbors, from the basin of the upper Euphrates to Aravanna (Erevan of today) and Tebruzzi (Tabriz). One of the most important of these enemies crouched on its eastern border was the kingdom of Hayasa-Azzi (the name Azzi represents the Alzi or Alzini of the Assyrian and Urartean inscriptions).

"Mursil, the Hittite Emperor," say Cavaignac, speaking of that period, " was busy in the wars waged against Azzi or Hayasa, which were as bitter as those waged against Arzava (Weatern Cilicia). About the beginning of Subbiluliuma's reign, that country (Hayasa-Azzi) was subject to Hittite influence, but won its freedom later on. Annyash, the King of Hayasa, had sacked several districts and refused to release the prisoners taken. He had created a political uniom of the tribes of Armenia, and organized a kingdom which extended from the River Iris (Yerhil-Irmak) to the Lake of Van."

Hayasa's good fortune did not continue long, however. The Hittite Mursil II, having consulted the oracles, invaded Hayasa in 1340 B.C. In the following spring he crossed the Euphrates and reorganized his army at Ingalova-Angegh, Angl-which, about ten centuries later, was to become the treasure-house and burial-place of the captured fortresses lay on the west side of the Lake of Van.

The Annals of Mursil thus describe these campaigns:

"The people of Nahasse arose and besieged" (name indecipher-able).

"Other enemies and people of Hayasa likewise. . . . They plundered Institina, blockaded Ganuvara. . . with troops and chariots. And because I had left Nuvanzas, the chief cupbearer, and all the heads of the camp and troops and chariots in the High Country, I wrote to Nuvanzas as follows; "See, the people of Hayasa. . . have devastated Institina, and blockaded the city of Ganuvara." . . . And Nuvanza led troops and chariots for aid and marched to Ganuvara. . . And then he sent to me a messenger and wrote to me; "Will you not go to consult for me the augur and the foreteller? Could not a decision be made for me by the birds and the flesh of the expiatory victims?" "And I sent to Nuvanza this letter: 'See, I consulted for you birds and flesh, and they commanded, Go! because these people of Hayasa, the God U, has already delivered to you; strike them!' "And as I was returning from Astatan to Carchemish, the royal prince Nana-Lu came to meet me on the road and said, 'The Hayasan enemy having besieged Ganuvara. Nuvanza marche against him and met him under the walls of Ganuvara. Ten thousand men and seven hundred chariots were drawn up in battle against him, and Nuvanza defeated them. There are many dead and many prisoners.' " "And when I arrived in Tiggaramma, the chief cup-bearer Nuvanza and all the noblemen came to meet me at Tiggaramma. I Should have marched to Hayasa still, but the chiefs said to me, 'The season is now far advanced, Sire, Lord! Do not go to Hayasa.' And I did not go to Hayasa. Hayasa as a fighting power was practically eliminated by the expedition of Mursil II in 1340 B.C. But after Mursil's premature death in 1320 B.C. the Hatti empire suffered a series of shocks. His elder brother Arvandas (Erouand) had also died young. A natural phenomenon, the eclipse of the sun, had terrified the people. A dreadful epidemic of some sort took a vast number of lives, including that of the Queen. The population of the capital was decimated to such a degree as to require the forced immigration of new inhabitants from adjoining countries. Taking advantage of the ensuing debacle, Mursil's nephew, Arma-u-as (Aramais?), contested against the heir-apparent for the succession to the crown. Still more serious was the menace of the sucession to the crown. Still more serious was the menace of the external enemies of the land, especially those of the North and East, who devastated the country in revenge for Mursil's conquests. A record exists of the incursion of the Kaskas or Kaskians, who crossed the Halys River with 800 chariots and advanced as far as the capital, which they plundered.

The King was compelled to remove the idols and the paraphernalia for the worship of the dead to a safer place. The Kaskas-whose home was Armenia- attacked by way of Amasia. Leonard King describes them as an "unruly people" living between the Euphrates and the Lake of Van, and a constant menace to the Hatti. "No Hatti King," says he, "was able to establish his power there permanemtly." It may therefore be safely assumed that Hayasa still exerted its influence. In any case, however, the days of Hattite hegemony were munbered. The Assyrians forged ahead and gradually spread their domination over southern and western Armenia.

SOURCES
www.armenian-history.com

So you're theories are very stupid and stop claiming people to be Turkish if they aren't :laugh::laugh:

melikianAvak

08-10-2007, 05:19 PM

Abush turk

Miyayn zenkov guka Hayots prgutyun!!!

YAFES

08-11-2007, 01:41 AM

You are so stupid !!! Turkish ancestors are the Scythians who had comen from East and Central Asia! They Moved to Europe !Ok?? They are our ancestors! Today,Yakuts are %90 blood with Sakas in Russia Federation! Yakuts are Sakas,and we can contect clearly with language ok? Dont make hooey! Many Turkish ancestors moved Europe as like Huns,As like Avars! Huns appropriated Christianity in 9. Century.And they fused other European nations with culture and anothers too! Please OBSERVE L HUN AND TURKISH LANGUAGE! Our language is simaler! Our words are ending agglutinative languages! Most of words are same too! "Elma" is Turkish word(Meaning "apple") They write "alma"!
and not only this
çok->sok
ata->atya
ana->anya
ben->en
benim->enyem
o->o
kim->ki
kimin->kié
de(conjunction word)->de:)
kapı->kapu
sevgi->semmi
sarı->sarga
omuz->tamasz
yer->ter
uzun->hosszu
kısa->kurta
pis->piszkos
kaplumbağa->teknosbeka (tekno = tekne It'is meaning "turtle" tekne's meaning "pot")
boğa->bika
öküz->ökör
tavuk->tyuk
keçi->kecke
arslan->oroszlan
kuçu(conversing language "meaning is dog")->kuçu
koç->kos
köpek->kopó
sakal->szakal
küçük->kicsi
alma(elma)->alma THAT'S MY EXAMPLE
batur(cesur)->bator
ikiz->iker
kapak->kupak
süz->szür
çadır->sator
kök->gyök
bol->bo
yel->szel
kırbaç->korbacs
tekerlek->kerek ("teker" word's meaning is "turning" mongol and hun language:))
biş(çiş)->bis
baykus->bagoly
beter->beter (It's same! meaning "bad")
öl->öl (It's same meanin "to kill")
çal->csal (hile)
çarp->csap
dür->tür
eşmek->es
sayı->szam
sek->szök
yas->gyasz
yoğur->gyur
sür->suruség(firça)
süpür->söpör
süpürge->seprü
çevir->csavar
dalga->dagály
halk->hala
saç->szor
cici->cici
kız+mak->kis+ál
kalpak->kalpag
damga->támga
tanıt->tanít(meaning "to teach")
tanık->tanú
daz->tar
tarak->taraj
tuğrul->turul
tümen->tömény
pamuk->pamut
yemiş->gyümölcs
yüksük->gyüszü
cep->szeb
var->van
biç->becs
erdem->erdem
er->úr
yurt->jurta
kılıç->kard
I THINK THEY ARE ENOUGH!

YAFES

08-11-2007, 01:51 AM

If you wanna their meaning,I can write ok??

YAFES

08-11-2007, 01:57 AM

YAFES

08-11-2007, 02:02 AM

I can write! Finn and Turk languages same words

KarotheGreat

08-11-2007, 02:23 AM

Stp posting 3 times in a short time and stop puting stupid propaganda on the forum we don't want to here wat you think frst the siyans were turks and now the Italians

YAFES

08-11-2007, 02:49 AM

why you are attacking me! You are very racist! I saw your many messeges! My post not propaganda they are trusts! only I showed you some words!

KarotheGreat

08-11-2007, 02:54 AM

do you know what happend to the scytians or also called the saka ruka by the persians if you don't I'll tell you. around 200 Bc they migrated to indai and become a very hellinized kingdome a indo-hellinic and their lands was taken over by the Yuehzi and I don't know what etnicty they have but when the huns invaded many centuries later and after that the Turkish tribes invaded you're people lived where now is mongolia and the steps to the west not on the russian steps please go and study history that is not written by a turkish historian :laugh::laugh:

The "Saka" peoples of Central Asia and Southern Siberia were the successors of a branch of the people who belonged to what Soviet archaeologists call the "Andronovo" culture, a distinctive Bronze Age culture of the 2nd millenium BC considered by most scholars to be proto Indo-Iranian. "Andronovo" is named after the first finds of the remains of this culture in 1914 near the village of Andronovo in the Yenisei River Valley of southern Siberia, and thus was subsequently used as a conventional name for this cultural complex of mixed farming and herding based on the breeding and raising of cattle, sheep, goats, and horses and the cultivation of wheat, barley and millet. Although most Soviet scholars in the past asserted that specialized pastoral nomadism in its pure form originated after the end of the Andronovo period (ca. 1100 B.C. to 900 B.C.) and subsequently replaced the mixed farming and herding system of the Andronovo culture during a transitional stage c. 800 - 500 BC, recent finds in the Tianshan region of modern-day southeastern Kazakhstan and dendrochronological analysis of these finds show that specialized pastoral nomadism without farming may have appeared as early as the period from c. 1770 - 1380 BC or earlier, ie during the early-mid Andronovo period, and that mixed herding and farming did not disappear after the Andronovo culture and existed even into early Iron Age times, at least during and after c. 800 - 500 BC.

Subsequently, the descendants of the Andronovo culture who remained on the steppes of Central Asia were known to the Greeks and Persians as "Skythians" and "Saka", respectively. "Saka" was used by the Persians to label the Indo-Iranian nomads of the south Russian and Central Asian steppes in general, as Herodotos in the 5th century BC tell us. His information appears to be correct as the relief carvings and inscriptions at Persepolis and Naqsh-i-Rustam show; 3 different groups of Saka are listed - the Saka Tigrakhauda (the "pointed hat" Saka), the Saka Taradraya/Paradraya (the Saka beyond the Black Sea - those Iranian-speaking nomads whom Herodotos calls "Skuthas"/"Skythians"), and the Saka Haomavarga (the "haoma-drinking" Saka). The Greek version of "Saka" was "Skythian" though the Skythians were also used by Herodotos to refer to a specific kingdom in the south Russian/Pontic steppes who replaced the earlier Kimmerians there. Conventionally, they are called "Skythians proper" for ease of clarification; archaeologically, they could've been descended from both the local Srubnaya culture (possibly Kimmerians as well as Skythians) and the Andronovo culture, since Herodotos tells us that either the Massagetai or the Issedones pushed the Skythians out of Asia into Europe, and so, they could've been more culturally distinct from the other Saka/Skythian tribes east of the Volga-Ural area. Again, for ease of clarification, we will call the Saka/Skythian tribes east of the "Skythians proper" by the Persian label of "Saka". A brief summary of the main Saka/Skythian tribes east of the Volga-Ural Srubnaya cultural complex (with the exception of the Sarmatian tribes and the later Daha-Arsakids since the former do not appear in Persian sources and are treated by most historians and archaeologists as distinct from both the "Skythians proper" and the other Saka tribes east of them while the latter the Persians curiously did not consider them a Saka people but called them "Daha") known to Greek and Persian historians appear below.

here read this and learn out of it

stbk

08-11-2007, 03:03 AM

By the way! do you know Italians and Turkish genetics are same per cent 99,7! This is Torino University Observing! We have relationship! But we don't know how was happened! Maybe They are Entrusks in South Italia,Entrusks live in South Italia and they came from Anatolia! Ok?

oh god! what a pathetic understanding!!!

first Etruscans was an indo/european race and original turks (who live in middle asia) are mongoloids.

lets look the similarity of Etruscans and turks;

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/411424.asp

as you can see it is told that; etruscans migrated to italy from west anatolia 3000-3500 years ago and they had the same genetics with lydians.
the genetics of anatolia didn't changed for 8 thousand years, and today armenians, kurds, turks or other nations from anatolia have similar genetics. but that doesn t make an armenian a turk or a kurd.

and if turks who live in anatolia today have same genetics with etruscans
what is the point
a)turks (who live in anatolia) aren't original turks they have same genetics with ancient anatolian people
or
b)whole the world is turk

choose one of them..

the other problem: neither huns nor finns are turks

huns were a tribe from middle asia it is true. but there were other nations except turks. the heir of huns are hungarians and they arent turk.
(except the turkish history books and the sun language theory and one or two boffin who take funds for their research) no one in the world declare that huns were turk. this claim is so stupid you can only read it in the book of kemal kara in scholl when you are 13.

compare two indo european language and you will find more similarity in iranian (kurds, persians tajicks) languages with french.so what? they are both indo european and the similarity is normal.

YAFES

08-11-2007, 03:12 AM

KarotheGreat

08-11-2007, 03:14 AM

give me historical facts that shwo us that scytians were turkish if you can't shut you're mouth and stop talking

YAFES

08-11-2007, 03:23 AM

[QUOTE=stbk;178592]oh god! what a pathetic understanding!!!

first Etruscans was an indo/european race and original turks (who live in middle asia) are mongoloids.

lets look the similarity of Etruscans and turks;

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/411424.asp

as you can see it is told that; etruscans migrated to italy from west anatolia 3000-3500 years ago and they had the same genetics with lydians.
the genetics of anatolia didn't changed for 8 thousand years, and today armenians, kurds, turks or other nations from anatolia have similar genetics. but that doesn t make an armenian a turk or a kurd.

and if turks who live in anatolia today have same genetics with etruscans
what is the point
a)turks (who live in anatolia) aren't original turks they have same genetics with ancient anatolian people
or
b)whole the world is turk

choose one of them..

the other problem: neither huns nor finns are turks

huns were a tribe from middle asia it is true. but there were other nations except turks. the heir of huns are hungarians and they arent turk.

[QUOTE]
I say only genetics are similer! I did not say Etrusks are Turk;)

You know nothing about Hun history! They came from Central Asia! And we came there too! We are same race! they came only 9 century! but we came very late before Islam! So Our culture began to diffrent! But our exhistory is same! Atilla is a Turkish name! You know only European Huns! But you know nothing Asian Huns and their states! Chine wall is very famous! Chineses wanted to keep our attacks so they built up that stupid wall! But our Asia Hun empreror Mete passed the wall! so tht barbarians was our ancestors Turks not happen later,God not created later!our blood cames Sakas&Huns

stbk

08-11-2007, 03:57 AM

I say only genetics are similer! I did not say Etrusks are Turk;)

You know nothing about Hun history! They came from Central Asia! And we came there too! We are same race! they came only 9 century! but we came very late before Islam! So Our culture began to diffrent! But our exhistory is same! Atilla is a Turkish name! You know only European Huns! But you know nothing Asian Huns and their states! Chine wall is very famous! Chineses wanted to keep our attacks so they built up that stupid wall! But our Asia Hun empreror Mete passed the wall! so tht barbarians was our ancestors Turks not happen later,God not created later!our blood cames Sakas&Huns

is it very difficult to understand posts or are you kidding??

we are arguing on etruscians and huns you are advertising about chinese wall.

central asia = middle asia !!
the original name of mete is maotun look haw similar with mongolian languages,

attila is a common name in hungary too

and other emperor chengiz khan and temujin, you see the same names in turkey every day but both emperors were mongols. what will you do now? will you claim that mongols were turks?

yes you can be same race with huns and mongols but different nations
mongols and turks; same race different nations
like greeks and french; same race but different nations

i didn t say "god created you later" or i didn t say "your evolution had finished after huns", but i say huns and turk are different Turks were small groups until ac 7 century.

İt is impossible to explain you something, i quit

YAFES

08-11-2007, 04:10 AM

is it very difficult to understand posts or are you kidding??

we are arguing on etruscians and huns you are advertising about chinese wall.

central asia = middle asia !!
the original name of mete is maotun look haw similar with mongolian languages,

attila is a common name in hungary too

and other emperor chengiz khan and temujin, you see the same names in turkey every day but both emperors were mongols. what will you do now? will you claim that mongols were turks?

yes you can be same race with huns and mongols but different nations
mongols and turks; same race different nations
like greeks and french; same race but different nations

i didn t say "god created you later" or i didn t say "your evolution had finished after huns", but i say huns and turk are different Turks were small groups until ac 7 century.

İt is impossible to explain you something, i quit

Do you know "Yafes" word! Who is Yafes? Yafes is the Prophet Nouh's son! Our race and Mongols race and chinese race sproung up Yafes blood!:D

KarotheGreat

08-11-2007, 04:14 AM

stop being stupid and believing fairytales you're stupid goverment tells you. If you don't have any historical proof about what you're saying keep you're mouth shut

YAFES

08-11-2007, 04:16 AM

I show Sehname it was a proof

KarotheGreat

08-11-2007, 04:26 AM

But the Saka where a indo european people you got to do better than that to fool any one here :laugh:

YAFES

08-11-2007, 04:29 AM

You know nothing about Sakas! And Alper Tunga! so I never post again! I needn't learn my history from my enemies

stbk

08-11-2007, 04:35 AM

Do you know "Yafes" word! Who is Yafes? Yafes is the Prophet Nouh's son! Our race and Mongols race and chinese race sproung up Yafes blood!:D

You are an ignorant turk like the majority of turkey;

we are writing in english you can't write the words in turkish yafes is japheth there is no word like yafes in english.

What will be your proof about the origin of turks? (Bible) the genesis theory??

lets look other japhethic nations (from wiki);

Javan: Greeks (Ionians)
Magog: Scythians, Slavs, Mongols, Hungarians, and Irish
Madai: Mitanni, Mannai, Medes, Persians Indo-Aryans, Kurds 1]
Tubal: Tabali, Georgians, Italics, Illyrians, Iberians, Basques
Tiras: Thracians, Goths, Jutes, Teutons
Meshech: Phrygians, Caucasus Iberians
Gomer: Armenians, Cimmerians, Scythians, Welsh, Picts, Irish, Germans.

(there are some wrong classification on the list like irish etc)

so what??

if you need a history you can steal it and lie about it like you did!

this theory isn t sufficent to explain races now. You are a racist and you don t know anythin about races i cant understand your personality

Isn't it weird that one Kurd and one turk are arguing the history on an Armenian forum in English? why? because that ignorant ****ard, sweared the kurds without no reason ( http://forum.armenianclub.com/showpost.php?p=178049&postcount=15 )

you needn t learn your history from your enemies but you need to learn your history
ottomans = yafes

ban turkish ip s

YAFES

08-11-2007, 04:44 AM

stbk ! Your base grandfather was slanged by Mustafa Kara! so you call him gay!

YAFES

08-11-2007, 05:12 AM

You are an ignorant turk like the majority of turkey;

we are writing in english you can't write the words in turkish yafes is japheth there is no word like yafes in english.

What will be your proof about the origin of turks? (Bible) the genesis theory??

lets look other japhethic nations (from wiki);

Javan: Greeks (Ionians)
Magog: Scythians, Slavs, Mongols, Hungarians, and Irish
Madai: Mitanni, Mannai, Medes, Persians Indo-Aryans, Kurds 1]
Tubal: Tabali, Georgians, Italics, Illyrians, Iberians, Basques
Tiras: Thracians, Goths, Jutes, Teutons
Meshech: Phrygians, Caucasus Iberians
Gomer: Armenians, Cimmerians, Scythians, Welsh, Picts, Irish, Germans.

Yafes Turkish!
Yafes=Yêfis But he is not only our incestor! Chinese,Koreans,Japonese,Mongol and Turan incestor!
Turkish race tree is "Scythians,Huns,Gokturk(Or Kokturks),Uighurs,Seljuks(Turkmens,Azers,Kazakths, Mongols,Tasciks a lot of Oghuz Turks),Ottomans(Oghuz Turks),Turkey(Oghuz Turks)

stbk

08-11-2007, 05:17 AM

stbk ! Your base grandfather was slanged by Mustafa Kara! so you call him gay!

yeah you can swear the kurds but they cant reply you, good imagination.
i m not a homophobic but mustafa kemal was gay.

That isn't my claim that was told by a turkish parliamentarian i think his name was like shevki yılmaz or another thing.anyway he was turk.

you can read the truth http://f28.parsimony.net/forum68059/messages/1706.htm

and the only problem wasn't to be gay, why he had no child? where his mother working in selanik

my grandfather wasn't (a killer, a sodomizer, a liar like the songs say ;) )
mustafa kara, hmmmm

i m bored to explain an ignorant turk the history i won t reply you again xxxxroache

ps: back to the river aras

YAFES

08-11-2007, 05:56 AM

platanus

08-11-2007, 06:22 AM

...i m not a homophobic but mustafa kemal was gay.
....

I think that there is a hole researcher in this forum:D

YAFES

08-11-2007, 06:33 AM

[QUOTE=stbk;178611]

you can read the truth http://f28.parsimony.net/forum68059/messages/1706.htm

[QUOTE]

not truth! their bibliography is from armenians so they are slander stupid armenian propaganda

melikianAvak

08-12-2007, 04:47 PM

Your grandfather and others were slanged by Mustafa Kara! so you call him gay! Tht informations not true!
but real:They made up by stupid base of armenians! and real 2. :Russians slanged one of the Caucasus race in history! so Armenians was appear!

slang (sl ng)
n.
1. A kind of language occurring chiefly in casual and playful speech, made up typically of short-lived coinages and figures of speech that are deliberately used in place of standard terms for added raciness, humor, irreverence, or other effect.
2. Language peculiar to a group; argot or jargon: thieves' slang.
v. slanged, slang•ing, slangs

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slanged+

Mos

08-12-2007, 06:37 PM

i cant really see a karabakh solution in the future, any ideas?