Origins of the name Yerevan

[Pauly]

Recently I heard a legend about the name Yerevan. It said that the name derives from a quoate allegedly from Noah from when he saw Mt. Ararat in his journey in the ark. According to the legend Yerevan means something like "I see a mountain" (ye re van?). However I have not been able to find anything about this legend online. Has anyone else here heard this legend?

[karoaper]

Recently I heard a legend about the name Yerevan. It said that the name derives from a quoate allegedly from Noah from when he saw Mt. Ararat in his journey in the ark. According to the legend Yerevan means something like "I see a mountain" (ye re van?). However I have not been able to find anything about this legend online. Has anyone else here heard this legend?


lol, that's hillarious. How about the legend that Noah told one of his sons "Ar men (you stay here)". These are just legends. They're neat but I doubt they have real connection. Yerevan sits on the ruins of an ancient Urartu city called Erebuni. I would think the phonetic connection to Erebuni explains the origins of the city's name. But I'm actually not sure 100%.

[Pauly]

I know that that's not the real origin of the name but I was wondering if this was something imprinted into the folklore of Armenia and that was the answer I was looking for...

[oyuncu]

Yerevan was a Turkish city.:) Original name is Erivan.:)

[TomServo]

Yerevan was a Turkish city.:) Original name is Erivan.:)
It was originally an Urartu settlement called Erebuni. Turks didn't come into the picture until the Middle Ages. Turks are a nomadic people, so I guess everything they shyt on becomes a "Turkish" city or land.

[Anonymouse]

Yerevan was a Turkish city.:) Original name is Erivan.:)

While my ancestors were the merchants of the Mediterranean, yours were nothing more than barbarian nomads wielding scimitars.

[One-Way]

Owned.

[TomServo]

Here (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2323/vgh2hu.jpg) is a picture of Vagharshapat in the process of becoming a "Turkish city."

[Sip]

It was originally an Urartu settlement called Erebuni. Turks didn't come into the picture until the Middle Ages. Turks are a nomadic people, so I guess everything they shyt on becomes a "Turkish" city or land.

= teh win.

But anyone know the origin or the actual meaning of the word "Yerevan"?

[oyuncu]

While my ancestors were the merchants of the Mediterranean, yours were nothing more than barbarian nomads wielding scimitars.
After you migrate to west, you have learned this "West is good, East is bad" thing. And still desperately you try to locate yourselves at "somewhere" in the "west".
Now you like to see yourselves as "mediterranean people"? So another title is coming. White, European, Mediterranean Armenians versus Barbaric, Nomadic, Asiatic Turks.:rolleyes:

[NaiNoriTatiA]

Yerevan was a Turkish city.:) Original name is Erivan.:)
HMMM...I wonder where you read that:confused: , because that defenatly aint true!!!!

[crusader1492]

HMMM...I wonder where you read that:confused: , because that defenatly aint true!!!!

He read it in a Turkish school book...where else would you find such lies?

[Sip]

Turks read?

[Anonymouse]

After you migrate to west, you have learned this "West is good, East is bad" thing. And still desperately you try to locate yourselves at "somewhere" in the "west".
Now you like to see yourselves as "mediterranean people"? So another title is coming. White, European, Mediterranean Armenians versus Barbaric, Nomadic, Asiatic Turks.:rolleyes:

Armenians never migrated anywhere you fez wearing barbarian. It is you and your primitive ancestors that slaughtered there way across to the West from the East, after they had their asses handed to them royally by the Mongols.

[Otto3]

While my ancestors were the merchants of the Mediterranean, yours were nothing more than barbarian nomads wielding scimitars.


different professions... what can we do?

[Otto3]

Armenians never migrated anywhere you fez wearing barbarian. It is you and your primitive ancestors that slaughtered there way across to the West from the East, after they had their asses handed to them royally by the Mongols.


yeah mongols.. but one should accept that they were not as systematic and determined as we were

[Anahita]

My 'guess' is that 'god' can do things with words at a time that can't be understood out of context... and when people try they twist into other-than-meant.

[Anonymouse]

yeah mongols.. but one should accept that they were not as systematic and determined as we were

True, they had some more level of civility.

[Archetype8]

Yerevan was a Turkish city.:) Original name is Erivan.:)


Actually I do not know what special-education classes you have taken in a Turk-oriented elementary but YEREVAN has a few folkloric legends about its origins. However, it is actually an ALIAS given from one of its first conquerors that it came in contact from and with: The Parthians (ancient Persians).:rolleyes:

[Archetype8]

yeah mongols.. but one should accept that they were not as systematic and determined as we were


This all took place in the 1200s. These islamic Mongolic hordes from Ghengis Khan were what brought them in the region of Anatolia, to begin with.

[Archetype8]

lol, that's hillarious. How about the legend that Noah told one of his sons "Ar men (you stay here)". These are just legends. They're neat but I doubt they have real connection. Yerevan sits on the ruins of an ancient Urartu city called Erebuni. I would think the phonetic connection to Erebuni explains the origins of the city's name. But I'm actually not sure 100%.

Urartuan analyses of the region and title prescribed to it are one of the many legends associated with it.

However, a more inductive closer study summarizes that the EREBUNI/Yerevan title dates back to the 8th century BC, and named after the military named "Erebuni" of the ancient Urartuans.

700 BC----1BC{}1AD--------------2006

[armenica]

The present "Yerevan", is the ancient capital of Urartu and was founded by King Argisthi I in year 782BC and named "Erebouni". The Uratuian name of "Erebouni" has changed during the passed 2700 years of Armenian assimilation of the Urartu's native inhabitants and their original language.

Yerevan was until about 90 years ago called "Erivan" (or "Iravan" as Persians call it) in the maps. So one can relatively "easily" track the changes of the name "Erebouni" to "Erivan" to the present "Yerevan" through the history.

As far as it goes for the idea of what Yerevan means, I'm not sure if that applied to Erebouni as well, but it could. The version I have heard backtracks to King Argishti and not Noah. The history goes that King Argishti, searching for a location for his new capital (Van was then the capital of Urartu) came to the place where they suddenly saw Mt. Ararat (which even then was regarded as an holy mountain by the surrounding peoples). Hence the city was called Erebouni, or in its modern pronunciation Yerevan, derived from "yereval" (Armenian for being visible, showing, appear) and "van" (Armenian suffix for places, frequently used in e.g. Idjevan, Nakhichevan, Stepanavan etc.). However, I don't have sufficient knowledge about the Urartuian language or if this theory could be applied on the name Erebouni as well.

[bell-the-cat]

As far as it goes for the idea of what Yerevan means, I'm not sure if that applied to Erebouni as well, but it could. The version I have heard backtracks to King Argishti and not Noah. The history goes that King Argishti, searching for a location for his new capital (Van was then the capital of Urartu) came to the place where they suddenly saw Mt. Ararat (which even then was regarded as an holy mountain by the surrounding peoples). Hence the city was called Erebouni, or in its modern pronunciation Yerevan, derived from "yereval" (Armenian for being visible, showing, appear) and "van" (Armenian suffix for places, frequently used in e.g. Idjevan, Nakhichevan, Stepanavan etc.). However, I don't have sufficient knowledge about the Urartuian language or if this theory could be applied on the name Erebouni as well.

Wow - that beauty almost beats the 'Bitlis' = 'Bad Lis' name origin explanation! :laugh: Is there a 'Book of Things That Idiots Believe is History' on your bookshelf?

[armenica]

Wow - that beauty almost beats the 'Bitlis' = 'Bad Lis' name origin explanation! :laugh: Is there a 'Book of Things That Idiots Believe is History' on your bookshelf?

Noop, none that I have. But I'll make sure to remeber that you MUST have one, in case anybody wants to borrow a copy. :wave:

[mdundar57]

Turks read?


no turks dont read, just armenians read.. yerevan is of course from the turkish name Erivan.. u read an international history and see the reality.
so u think turks were not here till middle ages??? what a history... what u know about sumers! they were talking turkish, tradition turkish and religion like ancieant turks and were they from space? Urartus are armenians or kurdish or persian state? turks dont read, so can u explain us...
i have never heard that armenians had ther own independent state till 1991 and have u ever visit turkiye and armenia? one starving and one in abundance... dont judge urself,, ask ur relatives who lives in turkiye...
i have armenian friend too, thanks god he dont have prejudge such as you ignorant..

[armenica]

i have never heard that armenians had ther own independent state till 1991...

Thank you! I think this summerizes you knowledge about the region more than necessary.

[mdundar57]

Thank you! I think this summerizes you knowledge about the region more than necessary.

i think i know enough about all these regions and world, but the problem is do you? so can u tell me a name of ur independent state in the history? during the history armenians lived like a tribe and vassals so u called that is like a kingdom, but its always been that armenians lived between two strong states as a buffer zone, but always ruled by other nations, eventhough still it seems ur an independent country but who is protecting ur borders? you or russian soldiers?
i dont read turkish recordings for armenian history, i read Kevork Aslan's books who is an armenian historican
i also want you to know that urartus were came form middle asia and who is language was Ural-altay which armenians is indian-europen and satem group.
you know if a country speaks ural-altay language it means its tradition is ural altay.. such as Turkish states... sumers and Iskiths were the turkish states living in anatolia.

and there have never been heard a name of armenia till persians recordings in middle of 500 B.C.
i want you to prouf me that armenians are the sons of urartus, proof if u can find any smilar language, word, or a including a sentence word armenian in it. any records? any epigraph, any tablet that shows a relationship between urartu state and armenians?
and dont forget, history cant be written with legends, history written with realities..

[armenica]

i think i know enough about all these regions and world, but the problem is do you? so can u tell me a name of ur independent state in the history? during the history armenians lived like a tribe and vassals so u called that is like a kingdom, but its always been that armenians lived between two strong states as a buffer zone, but always ruled by other nations, eventhough still it seems ur an independent country but who is protecting ur borders? you or russian soldiers?
i dont read turkish recordings for armenian history, i read Kevork Aslan's books who is an armenian historican
i also want you to know that urartus were came form middle asia and who is language was Ural-altay which armenians is indian-europen and satem group.
you know if a country speaks ural-altay language it means its tradition is ural altay.. such as Turkish states... sumers and Iskiths were the turkish states living in anatolia.

and there have never been heard a name of armenia till persians recordings in middle of 500 B.C.
i want you to prouf me that armenians are the sons of urartus, proof if u can find any smilar language, word, or a including a sentence word armenian in it. any records? any epigraph, any tablet that shows a relationship between urartu state and armenians?
and dont forget, history cant be written with legends, history written with realities..

Sorry to say this again, but you don't seem to have any deeper knowledge about the history, neither Armenian nor the region. What you are describing above is your very narrow minded perspective of how you percieve it to be.

To call the Armenian kingodoms for "tribes" is not only a very bad generalisation of the facts stored in historical documents and maps, it is not even close to the truth.

Your argumentation is shallow and your deductions are to hasty and unfounded. The Urartus did not transform into Armenians over one night. The process happened over almost a millenia or even longer. The "Armenian" Indo-European tribes assimilate the Uratuian peoples exaclty as the Turkish tribes assimilate the Greeks of Asia Minor. If you are interested you can read it on our site http://www.armenica.org

History is not only valid if you find a clay tablet which states "Armenians were here". History is about research, finding facts, investigate the relations and connections and deduct a logical result from the source material.

So try to be some more systematic and think a bit more before you come to conclusions. The world history would be much much much shorter if we had taken into account only those events and facts which have been written down and preserved to our times.

[Siamanto]

armenica,
You should not take Jurks that seriously. Honestly, based on mundar's posts, do you honestly think there can be an honest and intelligent debate?
They also think that "Anatolia" is from the *utkish "ana" and "dolu???" :) I will let you imagine the degree ignorance and obscurantism that reigns in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.
In the past, they have claimed themselves descendants of the Hittites and now Sumerians? Of course, neither the Hittites nor the Sumerians spoke an Ural-Altaic language, but that seems to be irrelevant to mentally underdeveloped *urks. It's also needless to say that Sumerians did not live in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.



Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[RSNATION]

armenica,
You should not take Jurks that seriously. Honestly, based on mundar's posts, do you honestly think there can be an honest and intelligent debate?
They also think that "Anatolia" is from the *utkish "ana" and "dolu???" :) I will let you imagine the degree ignorance and obscurantism that reigns in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.
In the past, they have claimed themselves descendants of the Hittites and now Sumerians? Of course, neither the Hittites nor the Sumerians spoke an Ural-Altaic language, but that seems to be irrelevant to mentally underdeveloped *urks. It's also needless to say that Sumerians did not live in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.



Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!


What idiots these Turks are. Even the name "Istanbul" is a bastardization of the Greek term for "in the city".

I love how they claim to be descendents of the Phrygians, Sumerians, Urartrians, and Hittites, yet they still followed that old gray wolf out of Central Asia arounf 1,000 AD, right?

[karoaper]

I recommend you guys to watch the Chinese made movie called "Warriors of Heaven and Earth (www.sonyclassics.com/warriors/)". Besides being a beautiful film, it showcases the original turks, called by that name Turk, as hordes of barbaric nomadic bastards who terrorize the heroes of the movie. They ride on horses and carry flags with the picture of a wolf. These are quite simply the forefathers of all the turks spread all around the world today. I think these forefathers would be very proud of their descendants.

Oh, anyone who says that Sumerians spoke Turkish should http://www.smnnews.com/board/images/smilies/suicide.gif. In fact we should get the suicide smilie added here for the times when we get infested with turks.

[RSNATION]

Before you read the following passage, please read and compare.

I have am currently working on a financing for a project in the Turks & Caicos Islands, have been there several times and know the history, culture, politics of the Caribbean quite well. The first passage explains the roots of Turks & Caicos. The second passage by in the Turkish Daily News attests to official Turkish Revisionism and Ataturk's "Sun Theory" relating everything to Turks.


"HOW WAS TURKS & CAICOS ISLANDS NAME DERIVED?

The popular story is the name Turks being derived after the indigenous Turk's Head "fez" cactus, pictured on the left, and the name Caicos, a Lucayan term "caya hico," meaning string of islands.

A more romantic, origin of the name is a reflection of the Islands' pirate history, when 17th and 18th century pirates used the islands as hideouts and preyed upon the passing Spanish treasure ships bound for Europe. The term "Turk" for a pirate stemmed two centuries earlier when the Ottoman Empire dominated the Mediterranean and Turkish corsairs harried European Atlantic shipping, thus translated "Turks" Islands becomes "Pirate" Islands!

The non-intuitive nom is often mispelt as Turks and Cacos and Turk and Caicos Islands. We have even see an occasional envelope arrive with the address 'Turks and Tacos' ! And speaking of mail, some mail arriving here has been branded with a trail of postmarks showing its trip here via a small detour to Turkey. "

Now read the nationalist Turkish version. I guess he subscribes to Ataturks "SUN THEORY"


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...?enewsid=47991

Turks discovered America first

Wednesday, July 5, 2006



Historian Yurtsever says he has broken the codes of Ottoman Admiral Piri Reis and claims Turks founded a country in the Americas
ANKARA – Turkish Daily News

**Historian Cezmi Yurtsever said he had*broken the secret codes of a map belonging to*16th century Ottoman Admiral Piri Reis and claimed that the Turks had discovered America 25 years before Christopher Colombus, establishing a government in the New World.

**Speaking at a press conference he said he thought boats drawn on the map east of Cuba could have been a code for something and upon investigation, ascertained*that there was a country called Turks and Caicos in the vicinity.

**?It is no coincidence that a country with the word 'Turk' in its name*exists*there. As Piri Reis was drawing*up*his map in 1513, he was using both Colombus' map and certain information that only he knew. Hundreds of years later, we see a country called Turks and Caicos.? He also said Caicos sounded similar to "kay?k" (boat) in Turkish, and referred*to the country as "Turks and Boats" for the duration of his press conference.*

**?Further research showed that the capital of the country of Turks and Boats, the Grand Turk, was the way Europeans used to describe Ottoman Sultan Süleyman. What's even more surprising is the fact that in 1869, the Grand Turk's flag featured the Ottoman crescent and three stars. All these facts show that the state of Turks and Boats, which is still part of the British Commonwealth, was founded by Turks loyal to the Ottoman Empire.?

**Yurtsever said Turks arrived in America 25 years before Colombus, claiming that the Ottoman symbol featured in the flag was removed in 1873.

**He said world history needs to be reassessed after the codes of Piri Reis's map are further analyzed.

[Anonymouse]

no turks dont read, just armenians read.. yerevan is of course from the turkish name Erivan.. u read an international history and see the reality.
so u think turks were not here till middle ages??? what a history... what u know about sumers! they were talking turkish, tradition turkish and religion like ancieant turks and were they from space? Urartus are armenians or kurdish or persian state? turks dont read, so can u explain us...
i have never heard that armenians had ther own independent state till 1991 and have u ever visit turkiye and armenia? one starving and one in abundance... dont judge urself,, ask ur relatives who lives in turkiye...
i have armenian friend too, thanks god he dont have prejudge such as you ignorant..

There is absolutely no evidence, historical, archaeological or otherwise, to indicate that Turkish is somehow a relation or offshoot of Sumerian, and no competent ethnographer, archaeologist, anthropologist, or linguist will or can claim as such. Specific cases of Turkish 'scholars' trying to claim such for the purposes of propaganda, and to challenge supposedly in their delusional minds, the general knowledge that Turks were an invading force unwelcome to the region, do not suffice.

[jgk3]

He goes out and says Urartuan is an Uralic-Altaic language, and he asks us to show him tablets that prove that Armenians are the sons of Urartuans?

I'm actual curious about what sources he's read, and what kind of evidence those sources use to sound believable.

If this guy knew anything about Turks, he should know that the spread of their language is relatively recent, and it started from a very small region in Central Asia that was very far from the Caucasus. Urartu is at least 2000 years older than the start of Turkish migrations across Asia.... How can his assertians possibly make sense?

[RSNATION]

He goes out and says Urartuan is an Uralic-Altaic language, and he asks us to show him tablets that prove that Armenians are the sons of Urartuans?

I'm actual curious about what sources he's read, and what kind of evidence those sources use to sound believable.

If this guy knew anything about Turks, he should know that the spread of their language is relatively recent, and it started from a very small region in Central Asia that was very far from the Caucasus. Urartu is at least 2000 years older than the start of Turkish migrations across Asia.... How can his assertians possibly make sense?


It's the Ataturk "Sun Theory" which has no scientific basis whatsoever but was invented by Ataturk and his cronies to help forment increased nationalism. If the Turks argue that the Urartians are Turks then they are also arguing that the Armenians are Turks which is a farce. As we and every archeologist and scientist knows (baring Turkish nationalists) is that the Armenian language is related to both Phrygian and Urartrian and the people themselves are the descendents of Hittites, Urartrians, and Phrygians.

[jgk3]

The trouble with the assertion that Armenian is related to Phrygian is that apparently we have a limited supply of Phrygian texts to study. If you can show me a link that shows actual coherent connections between Phrygian and Armenian texts, I'd like to see it, because from the little I've read (from Mallory's book, In the Search of the Indo-Europeans), I was unable to relate much other than perhaps the indo-european spirit of the language.

Usually, we just generalize with this statement because of the geographical proximity of Phrygian and Armenian cultures as well as their common connections and involvement of the old Hittite culture. Also, Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus have made statements such as Armenians being Phrygian colonists... so it only makes sense to classify their two languages together.

So again, if you have links or something that can actually make and explain the relations between the Armenian and Phrygian language beyond the basic fact that they are both Indo-European, it would be greatly appreciated.

[RSNATION]

The trouble with the assertion that Armenian is related to Phrygian is that apparently we have a limited supply of Phrygian texts to study. If you can show me a link that shows actual coherent connections between Phrygian and Armenian texts, I'd like to see it, because from the little I've read (from Mallory's book, In the Search of the Indo-Europeans), I was unable to relate much other than perhaps the indo-european spirit of the language.

Usually, we just generalize with this statement because of the geographical proximity of Phrygian and Armenian cultures as well as their common connections and involvement of the old Hittite culture. Also, Ancient Greek historians like Herodotus have made statements such as Armenians being Phrygian colonists... so it only makes sense to classify their two languages together.

So again, if you have links or something that can actually make and explain the relations between the Armenian and Phrygian language beyond the basic fact that they are both Indo-European, it would be greatly appreciated.

It's been awhile since I researched it so it may take some time but it may have been a theory that basically mirrors what you said in your last sentence, that both Phyrgian and proto-Armenian are related insomuch as they are both Indo-European and due to the close proximity of the peoples could be somewhat related. I'll search it out.

Perhaps like the Basques in Spain, the origins of our languages seem to escape a definitive answer. Interesting topic nonetheless. What I have read on numerous occasions is that a people known as the Urartrians developed from tribes located around Lake Van from the vestiges of the Hittites.

[jgk3]

yeah, that seems probable, however they had their own twist. Apparently, their language is not Indo-European and is often paired up with Hurrian in their own respective language group. I've also heard that Sumerian was not a Semitic language either, and I've read a chart or two where Sumerian, Urartian, Hurrian and Ugaritic would have words sharing a same linguistic root, perhaps trying to suggest that all these languages belong to an older language group that dissociated by the time Semitic and Indo-European languages began to expand in and out of the Middle East.

It is all very interesting, however, just because of the differences between the language groups of the languages spoken by the cultures in these regions in different times, we cannot make the assumption that the cultures were not linked, or even intertwining with eachother. It is very possible that the non-Indo-European elements of the Urartuans was due to sheer politics or popularity of that language at the time, and that the general populations ruled by the Urartuan kingdoms spoke a variety of languages that can be classified as Indo-European, Semitic, Hurro-Urartuan-Sumerian and Kartvelian.

The Non-Indo-European language of Urartuans does indeed impose a mysterious and thought provoking element to the history or our ancestors and the middle east.

What's also strange to me is why Hittite, a language spoken in a region so close to the Armenian plateau, does not sound so much like Armenian. In fact, it has been said that this language has archaisms in it so old, they aren't even reflected in Sanskrit or Baltic languages. Why is it that Armenian sounds closer to Greek for example, than Hittite, when the later language was spoken in Anatolia, standing between historical Armenian and historical Greek lands? Perhaps the speakers Armenian/Greek/Iranian subgroup dissociated from the ancestors of the Hittite subgroup's speakers first, and then followed their respective migrations after dissociating into proto-Armenians, proto-Iranians and proto-Greeks.

The Hittite subgroup of Indo-European languages was archaic, and wasn't keeping up with the development the other Indo-European subgroups took part in. When the last civilizations using the language came to an end, it was finally dropped. Since Phrygia practically stemmed out of the exact same region the Hittites ruled, they were more influenced by the their language than the proto-Armenians who lived too far east from it's linguistic cultural influence?

[armenica]

armenica,
You should not take Jurks that seriously. Honestly, based on mundar's posts, do you honestly think there can be an honest and intelligent debate?
They also think that "Anatolia" is from the *utkish "ana" and "dolu???" :) I will let you imagine the degree ignorance and obscurantism that reigns in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.
In the past, they have claimed themselves descendants of the Hittites and now Sumerians? Of course, neither the Hittites nor the Sumerians spoke an Ural-Altaic language, but that seems to be irrelevant to mentally underdeveloped *urks. It's also needless to say that Sumerians did not live in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey.

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

Well, this is not the first forum I'm a member of and definitely not the first where I see this kind of remarks. This forum, however, is an "Armenian" one, so the majority should already be familiar with the facts. But when you encounter any argumentation, regardless if they are nonsense or not, in other forums you must take for granted that there would be some people with no prior knowledge about this and they will take this as valid argumentation. That's why most I think that the majority of this arguments must not go unchallenged.

Nevertheless, I don't put to much energy and time in arguing with this kind of people (not that it requires that much efforts to prove them wrong in front of all), with letting them go unchallenged is a dangerous risk wich I don't think one should take lightly.

PS. Plus that it's quite fun and entertaining to push these people to reveal the most amazing facts about the educational system in which they have been brought up in. ;)

[mdundar57]

What idiots these Turks are.

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

[TomServo]

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..
There are so many things wrong with this sentence.

[armenica]

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..


This is why you don't know your own country's history: The Armenian plateau (Armenia Major including Western Armenia and present Republic of Armenia) was conquered by the Seljuks in about year 1000. But you conviniently forget is the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia which was a power to reckon on (1187 - 1375) and the smal fact that the Ottomans did not conquer the entire Armenia until late 16th century. Now, as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's 2006 now, right? So 2000 - 1600 = 400.

Moreover, treating the Armenians as slaves and low class subjects is not living in "peace and safety". You're looking at "history" from the oppressor's point of view (and even that view is not close to the truth)



how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?


Interesting that you mentioned this: you're right, Armenians should be as subjective as anyone else. BUT, if you take a look at the source references stated in our text at http://www.armenica.org then you should (maybe you can't, but you should) see that we have:

"1100 references written by about 280 different authors, researcher, politicians and travellers (four of these are Armenians, while the rest represent about 20 diffenrent nationalities from 3 different continents)"

http://www.armenica.org/about.html

On the other hand when I read the Turkish version of the "history", all I find is Turkish historians and Justin McCarthy. Can you see where I'm going with this or should I explain more?




i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I love when you lay up this kind of free points...

1) Please get a map of Turkey where you can see the neighbours (any map will do).

2) Take a look at the neighbours and I'll personally pay you $100 for every "friendly" neighbours that Turkey has (excluding the Turksih cousins in Azerbaijan, since they would tend to commit perjury in this matter). There are 8 neighbours (well 7 that count):

A) Armenia: well, you know...
B) Greece: second to Armenia in the "unfriendly" scale
C) Iran: the frostly relations go back to the Ottoman empire, and are as unsincerely as they were in the 18th century
D) Cyprus: See B
E) Iraq: The issues of Kurds in northern Iraq is a reason for invasion of norhtern Iraq than anything else
F) Syria: if we disregard the other deeper historical and current political differencies, the Turkish projects of cutting the water supply of Syria by building dams on Euphrates is not what I call "loving your neighbour"
G) Georgia: the only non-Turkish country which could make me owe you $100, but even here the "friendship" with Turkey is more due to the fact that they have nowhere to turn to. Georgia does what they back in WWI when they suddenly abandoned the allies and joined the Central Power to secure German protection against the Russians and the imminent Turkish invasion.


This is far far away from the topic of this thread and I won't vaste anymore time. I suggest that you go and get a proper, non-Turkish-written history book and read your country's history and click around in the Internet and read about Turkey's relations with its neighbours.

Back to the "Origins of the name Yerevan"...

[RSNATION]

This is why you don't know your own country's history: The Armenian plateau (Armenia Major including Western Armenia and present Republic of Armenia) was conquered by the Seljuks in about year 1000. But you conviniently forget is the Armenian kingdom of Cilicia which was a power to reckon on (1187 - 1375) and the smal fact that the Ottomans did not conquer the entire Armenia until late 16th century. Now, as far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) it's 2006 now, right? So 2000 - 1600 = 400.

Moreover, treating the Armenians as slaves and low class subjects is not living in "peace and safety". You're looking at "history" from the oppressor's point of view (and even that view is not close to the truth)




Interesting that you mentioned this: you're right, Armenians should be as subjective as anyone else. BUT, if you take a look at the source references stated in our text at http://www.armenica.org then you should (maybe you can't, but you should) see that we have:

"1100 references written by about 280 different authors, researcher, politicians and travellers (four of these are Armenians, while the rest represent about 20 diffenrent nationalities from 3 different continents)"

http://www.armenica.org/about.html

On the other hand when I read the Turkish version of the "history", all I find is Turkish historians and Justin McCarthy. Can you see where I'm going with this or should I explain more?





I love when you lay up this kind of free points...

1) Please get a map of Turkey where you can see the neighbours (any map will do).

2) Take a look at the neighbours and I'll personally pay you $100 for every "friendly" neighbours that Turkey has (excluding the Turksih cousins in Azerbaijan, since they would tend to commit perjury in this matter). There are 8 neighbours (well 7 that count):

A) Armenia: well, you know...
B) Greece: second to Armenia in the "unfriendly" scale
C) Iran: the frostly relations go back to the Ottoman empire, and are as unsincerely as they were in the 18th century
D) Cyprus: See B
E) Iraq: The issues of Kurds in northern Iraq is a reason for invasion of norhtern Iraq than anything else
F) Syria: if we disregard the other deeper historical and current political differencies, the Turkish projects of cutting the water supply of Syria by building dams on Euphrates is not what I call "loving your neighbour"
G) Georgia: the only non-Turkish country which could make me owe you $100, but even here the "friendship" with Turkey is more due to the fact that they have nowhere to turn to. Georgia does what they back in WWI when they suddenly abandoned the allies and joined the Central Power to secure German protection against the Russians and the imminent Turkish invasion.


This is far far away from the topic of this thread and I won't vaste anymore time. I suggest that you go and get a proper, non-Turkish-written history book and read your country's history and click around in the Internet and read about Turkey's relations with its neighbours.

Back to the "Origins of the name Yerevan"...


Bravo Armenica!!!!

[gmd]

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I have seen this kind of remark on other forums as well from Turks. What is the basis of this? The Turkish republic has had a history of forced assimilation of non-Turkish citizens. Kurds your largest minority were not allowed to legally speak their own language until 1991. Can you provide some valid examples of Turks loving anyone who does not aspire to be Turkish?

[platana]

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..
Yes,but it disturb them, realities always disturb them;)


how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

they are the one about prejudice and grudge.They have confirmed this in France Bill.They cant put up with even just one opposite opinion. it is one of the features of diaspora.

[Siamanto]

...when you encounter any argumentation, regardless if they are nonsense or not, in other forums you must take for granted that there would be some people with no prior knowledge about this and they will take this as valid argumentation. That's why most I think that the majority of this arguments must not go unchallenged.

Nevertheless, I don't put to much energy and time in arguing with this kind of people (not that it requires that much efforts to prove them wrong in front of all), with letting them go unchallenged is a dangerous risk wich I don't think one should take lightly.

You have a good point, it's just sometimes their "arguments" are so absurd and ridiculous.
As long as it's not taking too much of your time or energy.





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PS. Plus that it's quite fun and entertaining to push these people to reveal the most amazing facts about the educational system in which they have been brought up in. ;)
I see what you mean, but their mental world and mindset are so raw and primitive that their reactions are a bit plain, simplistic and predictable.

[dizdar]

That idiot TURKs ruled you more then a thousand years in peace and safety..

how come u think ur reading an objective history and we dont?

i can see you have more prejudge then we do... but there is a big difference between armenians and us.. we love anyone, we never judge anyone for who they are but you do? think about this...

I cant understand, A nation or a race who had never battled for a thousand year, could start a war to another race who had been battling for a thousand year and When the war was over and the minority was defeated, Some of them called this a "genocide" :confused: , because they dont know the meaning of war as they hadn't battled for a thousand year and Noone said them one can die in a war but it can't be called as a "genocide",but They dont know exactly the definition of a Genocide.

And what a disgusting world that France who gave some armenian bands France military uniforms in Adana,Urfa,Maraş once upon a time and is respoınsible for this battle, now again use armenians as in the past but different style (for 380 thousand of votes) And some armenians dont disturb to being used by France as in the past by imperialism.

and what a prejudice is this that these armenians abstracted from real world, dont know anything about the armenians who live in Turkey now,in contrast they only use of their imagination.

[sloanie08]

In fact, Armenia was used and is still used. :( . Whatever we say, Turks conquered us, because they are stronger. We are just vassals. :(

[mancusun]

Wow - that beauty almost beats the 'Bitlis' = 'Bad Lis' name origin explanation!

Batlamyus => Bitlis , He was the founder of the city.

[gayane]

The first name of Yerevan is Erebuni. It was Urartian castle which was built by Argisti I., who is Urartian king.

Some people from Hate and Supani countries were localized in Erebuni, so Hate's people is the first inhabitants in Erebuni. Hate's people were Late Hittites.

[Shahanshah]

Guys if you havent noticed, no one takes Turkish historians seriously, because they dont research history, they work on historical revisionism.

Turkish historians have made such outrageous claims as the Etruscans, Parthians, Sumerians, Scythians, being Turks, Napoleon being Turks, etc...

No one takes them seriously, their "academics" are amateurs really.

I might also add that this is by no means the fault of the Turkish people. They have been brainwashed by nationalism and pan Turkism since the early 1900's when that stuff really became popular in the Ottoman Empire.

The Turkish people are a victim of this historical revisionism themselves, because it makes them look ridiculous in the face of real scholarship.

I'm not trying to insult Turkey or the Turkish people, I'm just giving some background information here.