Armenian church in Iraq bombed.

[dstyle]

The Armenian church in Baghdad was car bombed today.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_baghdad_blast_13

I have friends that are from there and they're saying Christians have turned in to targets, like, killings every day and such, now churches, wow.

[Darorinag]

This is "democracy among the guns." All hail Arab democracy!

I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey is supplying them with weapons. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[IvyLipstick]

This is "democracy among the guns." All hail Arab democracy!

I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey is supplying them with weapons. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I would not be surprised if you were supporting that cause Mr. Hasim Abu-Rashid

[HyeJinx1984]

Ivy, don't even start. This is not your place right now.

[Darorinag]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[dstyle]

Seriously uncalled for Ivy.

[HyeJinx1984]

So, is there any indication that this was an attack against Armenians in particular or did they just explode a random schurch and it happened to be one of ours?

[Darorinag]

There were a few other churches (more than 5, I believe) that were targeted at the same time as the Armenian church, in a coordinated attack. Seems like an attack against Christians. :mad:

[HyeJinx1984]

Yea, I believe two of the other churches were Assyrian churches, and being that my step-dad is Assyrian, yesterday was a sad day for both of us.

[Darorinag]

I am so sorry to hear that, HyeJinx. It really is sad.

I suppose those anti-war "activists" would now be talking about these murderous bombings as much as they talked about the bombing of Iraq? Or maybe not - after all, most of them are Muslims or otherwise apologists for fundamentalist Muslims.. :rolleyes:

Here's a post I made on my journal about this:

On murder that is justified - because, after all, the victims are not Muslims..

I wonder.. is this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/armenians/christianiraqi1.jpg) Arafat's and fundamentalist Muslims' idea of "democracy among the guns"? Not to mention, is this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/armenians/churchiraq.jpg) and this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/armenians/churchiraq1.jpg) the anti-Islamophobia activists' idea of life for religious minorities in Muslim countries? Questions, questions... I think being killed while praying is a great way to die.. Maybe we should target more mosques? After all, this seems to be an eye for an eye philosophy that the fundamentalists are following.. and well, according to the "reasoning" behind this act (if there is any), it seems to be justifiable just because it's a retaliation. Does that also make Sabra and Shatila justifiable, I wonder? But of course not - because the victims in that case were Muslims, non? In Fisk's words, "Democracy, democracy, democracy ... If you went on saying it often enough, anything could be justified. Better still, you might end up believing in it."

:mad:

[HyeJinx1984]

I think being killed while praying is a great way to die.. Maybe we should target more mosques? After all, this seems to be an eye for an eye philosophy that the fundamentalists are following...

LOL, actually, after my mom found out the news she got all huffy puffy (as usual) and starting ranting about wanting to blow up Mecca in retaliation, or as she put it "That big black rock!"... thank god she doesn't have any nuclear weapons at her disposal.

[Darorinag]

I would not stop her.

[HyeJinx1984]

It would certainly win us some points with Ivy, no? :p

[Darorinag]

No, I'm a terrorist sympathiser, remember? :rolleyes:

[HyeJinx1984]

No, I'm a terrorist sympathiser, remember? :rolleyes:

Ooooooohhh that's right.

[jgm1975]

The Armenian Church sustained only minor damages, so at least there was some good news, although I think that some of the other churches sustained heavier damages.

[hyebruin]

that picture you posted dan of the mother and child is heartbreaking...i don't understand how some can't respect the sanctity of someone else's place of worship...

[Darorinag]

The Armenian Church sustained only minor damages, so at least there was some good news, although I think that some of the other churches sustained heavier damages.
Well, I don't think the damage is really what has pissed us off. It's the concept/idea behind the attack, and its orchestration with the bombings of the other couple of churches.. :mad:

[Darorinag]

that picture you posted dan of the mother and child is heartbreaking...i don't understand how some can't respect the sanctity of someone else's place of worship...
Or the sanctity of life for that matter.

[IvyLipstick]

IT was nuked because the Armenians in Iraq unfortunately are supporting the wrong ethnicity for the wrong cause at the wrong moment. This is not the time to be boasting about how great it is to the Arabic Shiek of why he did not kill you and gave you his soil to live upon forcibly.

[Darorinag]

IT was nuked because the Armenians in Iraq unfortunately are supporting the wrong ethnicity for the wrong cause at the wrong moment.
So they should support the terrorists? :confused:

[IvyLipstick]

So they should support the terrorists? :confused:


Here we go again: No blockhead, I said they are still molded up with the bunch already meaning even if they did not support terrorism they will still get it anyway. :rolleyes: Look, stop sticking up for Arabs when they care less for and about your people. You throw your hat into every Arab discussion or Arab related issue. YOU ARE NOT AN ARAB and if you wish for the U.S. to simply annihilate you for being on their side which is what many Armenians do, we will do that as well.

[IvyLipstick]

Is there anyone who will explain to him that this person is not a semite? Semite= Arabs Assyrians xxxs and a few other African little tribes. You are Armenian and that makes you Aryan, buddy.

[IvyLipstick]

Semitic people are of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic (which is what the Koran is written that Persians and Arabs and Turks read). It is a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.

[HyeJinx1984]

Ivy you are by far one of the most ignorant people I've met on this board. First of all, Armenian is catagorized as a semetic language, so there goes your semetic arguement. Second of all Armenians are not Aryan, because there is no such thing as an Aryan and only ignorant people who haven't done their research believe that "Aryan" is an actual ethnicity. For those of you who don't know, here's a little history lesson:

Aryans are part of Indian (hindu) mythology an dare considered "people of the sun," Hitler took this name and applied it to anglo saxons because he believed that the "people of the sun" could be construed as "people of god" and that's what he felt white people were... consdiering "Aryans" are from Indian methology, they were probably dark skinned, dark haired and dark eyed, as oppose to light skined, blue eyed and blond haired which are traits that people associate with the redefined Hitler usage of the word. I'd also like to add anyone who uses the term Aryan as a way to describe white people is either consciously or most likely unconsciously supporting Nazism.

Anyway, counter to your obviously false and unfounded beliefs, Armenians do not support arabs or muslims. In fact, you'll find that 90% of Armenians are actually very bigoted and prejeduce against Arabs and Muslims. You're hearing this from the best source possible.. an ARMENIAN. If you still wish to shout your ignorant and unfounded remarks, please do so somewhere else. You're simply wrong. There's no need to even have a discussion.

[Darorinag]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh my goodness......

Here we go again: No blockhead, I said they are still molded up with the bunch already meaning even if they did not support terrorism they will still get it anyway. Look, stop sticking up for Arabs when they care less for and about your people. You throw your hat into every Arab discussion or Arab related issue. YOU ARE NOT AN ARAB and if you wish for the U.S. to simply annihilate you for being on their side which is what many Armenians do, we will do that as well.
WHERE IN MY REPLY ("So they should support the terrorists? :confused: ") DID I STICK UP FOR ARABS? Oh God. Will someone please ban this troll?

Edit: Oh yes, and I will throw my hat into any discussion I want. You are a no one, and your authority only extends to the area and volume occupied by your worthless trollish existence.

[Darorinag]

HyeJinx, don't even waste your time replying to this troll's posts/replies. Clearly, whatever you say will be turned against you (even if you say "I hate Arabs") and you would still be called a terrorist sympathiser. There is no way one can reason with trolls. Plus, there is no need to. Trolls feed on replies. They're like parasites.

Oh yeah, Aryan, by the way, means "of pure blood." That's all there is to it. Our troll friend should consider going back to where she came from (SF).

[IvyLipstick]

Ivy you are by far one of the most ignorant people I've met on this board. First of all, Armenian is catagorized as a semetic language, so there goes your semetic arguement. Second of all Armenians are not Aryan, because there is no such thing as an Aryan and only ignorant people who haven't done their research believe that "Aryan" is an actual ethnicity. For those of you who don't know, here's a little history lesson:

Aryans are part of Indian (hindu) mythology an dare considered "people of the sun," Hitler took this name and applied it to anglo saxons because he believed that the "people of the sun" could be construed as "people of god" and that's what he felt white people were... consdiering "Aryans" are from Indian methology, they were probably dark skinned, dark haired and dark eyed, as oppose to light skined, blue eyed and blond haired which are traits that people associate with the redefined Hitler usage of the word. I'd also like to add anyone who uses the term Aryan as a way to describe white people is either consciously or most likely unconsciously supporting Nazism.

Anyway, counter to your obviously false and unfounded beliefs, Armenians do not support arabs or muslims. In fact, you'll find that 90% of Armenians are actually very bigoted and prejeduce against Arabs and Muslims. You're hearing this from the best source possible.. an ARMENIAN. If you still wish to shout your ignorant and unfounded remarks, please do so somewhere else. You're simply wrong. There's no need to even have a discussion.


Come again?! :laugh: OH WOW. ARmenian is considered a semitic language?! You should be banned for saying that false claim. No my argument stands where as yours fell away and vanished just like your class and knowledge.


Look ignoramus, Aryanism has a rich history behind it WAY before Hitler therefore your argument is as void of validity as your ego is of class. WHO SAID ARYAN IS AN ETHNICITY?! IT IS A TERM JUST LIKE SEMITIC OMG YOU PERSONIFY THE WORD IGNORANT AND STUPID HAHAH. You honestly proved you are the most uneducated extremist on the face of this forum. AT least make sense before I dismiss your syntax. My argument at least has some evidence whereas yours is just ranting of what you "like it" to be. Oh wow, my final message to you after you said: you need to stay in school.....A LONG TIME.

[Darorinag]

You are Armenian and that makes you Aryan, buddy.
So what exactly in my Armenianness is "Aryan"? Do enlighten me.

[IvyLipstick]

HyeJinx, don't even waste your time replying to this troll's posts/replies. Clearly, whatever you say will be turned against you (even if you say "I hate Arabs") and you would still be called a terrorist sympathiser. There is no way one can reason with trolls. Plus, there is no need to. Trolls feed on replies. They're like parasites.

Oh yeah, Aryan, by the way, means "of pure blood." That's all there is to it. Our troll friend should consider going back to where she came from (SF).


Why are you resorting to insults? Yes Aryan means of pure blood you irrelevant arbitrary waste. Parasite is the perfect term to describe rude obnoxious charlattans like you. I never said "ARmenians support terrorism" and you still go on saying that. You're not even worth spitting at, never mind insulting with style.

[IvyLipstick]

So what exactly in my Armenianness is "Aryan"? Do enlighten me.


Sorry but once you already indicated you have a hollow cranium and you see nothing past your own nose, I really do not think your pre determined narrow mind can handle this form of knowledge.

[Darorinag]

Ohhhhhhhhh good grief.. lmao..

Why are you resorting to insults?
Insult? Where? Only trolls would get insulted when called trolls. :D

you irrelevant arbitrary waste
So why are YOU resorting to insults?

I never said "ARmenians support terrorism"
lol. Do you forget what you wrote the minute you type it? :laugh: I think everyone here would agree that you are a troll and are looking for trouble. Otherwise, why would you go to every thread I posted in (that was slightly controversial), and start attacking me and calling me an Arab supporter? Like I said, go back to SF, where you belong.

[IvyLipstick]

Look dupe, Aryanism has nothing to do with Hitler. IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH HITLER'S INSTITUTION LATER ON. But again, NO WHERE IS THERE EVIDENCE that your crap you spewed says that we are "semitic" and you and that hyejinx dolt really have proven that you are totally stupid. "Aryans were dark haired and colored people" HAHAHAHAHAH what???????? Sorry, I would consider his rebuttal but it fails to make sense because he cannot prove it in anyway that 1) that is true and 2) where does he get that notion from?

[Darorinag]

Sorry but once you already indicated you have a hollow cranium and you see nothing past your own nose, I really do not think your pre determined narrow mind can handle this form of knowledge.
Yeah, my dear girl, I suppose that's a good excuse to get you out of it. I'll let it go because I think arguing with you further would only make you happier. :cool:

[IvyLipstick]

Ohhhhhhhhh good grief.. lmao..


Insult? Where? Only trolls would get insulted when called trolls. :D


So why are YOU resorting to insults?


lol. Do you forget what you wrote the minute you type it? :laugh: I think everyone here would agree that you are a troll and are looking for trouble. Otherwise, why would you go to every thread I posted in (that was slightly controversial), and start attacking me and calling me an Arab supporter? Like I said, go back to SF, where you belong. SHOW ME where I SAID "Armenians all support TERRORISM" where? DO you honestly forget to swallow your spit too?

[Darorinag]

NO WHERE IS THERE EVIDENCE that your crap you spewed says that we are "semitic" and you and that hyejinx dolt really have proven that you are totally stupid.
For the record, I never said Armenians are Semitic. Stop putting words into my mouth.

[Darorinag]

SHOW ME where I SAID "Armenians all support TERRORISM" where? DO you honestly forget to swallow your spit too?
You are smart, but not that smart. Those posts have been removed because your Aryan highness decided to go off-topic in an irrelevant thread and attack me and other people for being terrorist sympathisers, and calling all Armenians in the Middle East Arab and terrorist supporters. Short memory? :cool:

Goodnight.

[xBaron Dants]

Armenian is catagorized as a semetic language

Psst...Armenian is categorized as a Indo-European language..

[Darorinag]

That is beside the point. language has nothing to do with this.

[xBaron Dants]

That is beside the point. language has nothing to do with this.

lol, I wasn't trying to get involved in this silly argument. It's just something that I had to point out. No matter what the "point" is (which actually, is the fact that an Armenian church in Irak got bombed), the fact remains that that's an error.

[Anonymouse]

Ivy you are by far one of the most ignorant people I've met on this board. First of all, Armenian is catagorized as a semetic language, so there goes your semetic arguement. Second of all Armenians are not Aryan, because there is no such thing as an Aryan and only ignorant people who haven't done their research believe that "Aryan" is an actual ethnicity. For those of you who don't know, here's a little history lesson:

That is untrue. Armenian is classified as an Aryan or Indo-European language, not Semetic.

[IvyLipstick]

Psst...Armenian is categorized as a Indo-European language..



OH THANK YOU my good man. Thank you very much. We have now broken their fragile egos. Can you please tell that to his thick head so he gets that really?

[Darorinag]

lol, I wasn't trying to get involved in this silly argument. It's just something that I had to point out. No matter what the "point" is (which actually, is the fact that an Armenian church in Irak got bombed), the fact remains that that's an error.
Yes, point taken. I was going to mention that too, but refrained from doing so for fear of going into a discussion of that when the thread had nothing to do with it.

[Darorinag]

We have now broken their fragile egos.
"their"? You are yet to prove me wrong in any way. You flatter yourself too much.

[IvyLipstick]

You are smart, but not that smart. Those posts have been removed because your Aryan highness decided to go off-topic in an irrelevant thread and attack me and other people for being terrorist sympathisers, and calling all Armenians in the Middle East Arab and terrorist supporters. Short memory? :cool:

Goodnight.


I think your stupidity is really kicking in now because you are changing the subject and backing away from the can of worms you opened. I told you to back up your point, I did not touch any post or thread, you accused me like a paranoid extreme suicide car bomber that I said "armenians support terrorism" when I said no such thing.


Secondly, ARYANS go far back to 1300 BC before Hitler even existed, how can you disregard that and spout your nonsense? Look, to make a long story short, YOU CANNOT STOMACH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WRONG, get over that please.

How did I attack you when all I did was correct you? That is the typical sign of a self-righteous tyrant-like cad: you purposely perceive me confronting you with your lack of knowledge as "attacks" when they really are not. It is a FACT that ARmenians= Aryans. That is where the damn word even derives from, how the hell can you sit here and deny that claiming Armenians are not just because you dislike hearing those facts?

Let me guess: Whatever (insert insult here).

[IvyLipstick]

"their"? You are yet to prove me wrong in any way. You flatter yourself too much.


You wish I did but in reality the facts speak for themselves: you again stand out wrong and cannot take that because it deflates your ego.

[IvyLipstick]

1) I am still trying to figure out HOW AND WHERE AND WHY can you even relegate Armenians as "semitic" or even close to that. 2) Where again I ask did I say Armenians support terrorism? Is that really what I said or is that like your way of dodging my question by accusing me of something irrelevant just to give you some authority?

[Darorinag]

I told you to back up your point, I did not touch any post or thread, you accused me like a paranoid extreme suicide car bomber that I said "armenians support terrorism" when I said no such thing.
Where did I say that *YOU* edited or removed any posts? Like I said, you're smart, but not so smart.

Secondly, ARYANS go far back to 1300 BC before Hitler even existed, how can you disregard that and spout your nonsense? Look, to make a long story short, YOU CANNOT STOMACH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE WRONG, get over that please.
What are Aryans? So you're saying that pure-blooded people existed even back in 1300 BC.. ok.. and that means?

How did I attack you when all I did was correct you?
Correct me in what? Your only argument in reply to my post was that I shouldn't be posting in threads that are about Arabs because I'm an Armenian and Aryan, and posting in those threads supposedly made me an Arab sympathiser? You're a joke.

you purposely perceive me confronting you with your lack of knowledge as "attacks" when they really are not.
Lack of knowledge about what?

It is a FACT that ARmenians= Aryans.
What are Aryans? Are you talkign about the "pure blood" definition? If so, many Armenians (if not most) are mixed (and therefore, not of pure blood).

Let me guess: Whatever (insert insult here).
No, that's only your style, not mine. But your insults are much better disguised. In fact, they are fallacies more than they are insults. Which further discredits your "arguments", if you have any.

[Darorinag]

1) I am still waiting for you to show me where I said Armenians are Semetic.
2) You said (in a post that has been deleted by a moderator):

"You said "kill those rabiz" yea as well as those fraudulent Armenians from Lebanon that fight for Arabic freedom."

Your next insult? I need a lobotomy?

[HyeJinx1984]

I've heard it argued both ways, certain people who i know for a fact are on top of their xxxx when it comes to Armenian knowledge/history say that Armenian can be classified as a semetic language. Not taht that's even the point, I've never been interested in "catagories"... it's a trivial matter to get caught up in, such as "are we mediterranean" or "middle eastern"... like what we CALL it matters, this is a stupid thing to get caught up on and just sidetracks us from the real focus of the conversation.

Speaking of which, what is the focus of the conversation? it's certainly not the bombing in Iraq.

Oh, and at one point Ivy reffered to the armenian people as "we"... if I remember correctly she's not Armenian.

[HyeJinx1984]

You honestly proved you are the most uneducated extremist on the face of this forum.

Hey Daror, you're falling behind! Looks like I'm winning for now! :p quick, say something to piss her off so you can catch up to me.

[Darorinag]

Speaking of which, what is the focus of the conversation? it's certainly not the bombing in Iraq.
There is no focus in this conversation. It was a result of Ivy replying to my post and saying that since I'm an Armenian and an Aryan, I shouldn't keep posting in Arab-related discussions, because somehow that makes me an Arab sympathiser..? This is the dumbest change in a thread that I've ever seen. And this thread is worthy of being either locked or cleaned.

[Darorinag]

Hey Daror, you're falling behind! Looks like I'm winning for now! :p quick, say something to piss her off so you can catch up to me.
lol. u probably won't understand this, but anyway: mi badaskhaner... lol.. nebadag@ topicen sheghil eh. :laugh:

[HyeJinx1984]

I got the mi badaskhaner part... which I'm obviously not following, because I replied to your message, lol.

[Darorinag]

lmao.. i meant.. IREN bi badaskhaner.. lol. do you know Arabic? that would make things easier haha.

[HyeJinx1984]

No.. you know Arabic?!?!?! I'm so appalled!! You Terrorist Sympathizer you!!!


Seriously though, this may sound ignorant, but is there a lebanesse language or is the country's official language arabic?

[Anonymouse]

I've heard it argued both ways, certain people who i know for a fact are on top of their xxxx when it comes to Armenian knowledge/history say that Armenian can be classified as a semetic language. Not taht that's even the point, I've never been interested in "catagories"... it's a trivial matter to get caught up in, such as "are we mediterranean" or "middle eastern"... like what we CALL it matters, this is a stupid thing to get caught up on and just sidetracks us from the real focus of the conversation.

Speaking of which, what is the focus of the conversation? it's certainly not the bombing in Iraq.

Oh, and at one point Ivy reffered to the armenian people as "we"... if I remember correctly she's not Armenian.

No reputable linguist or historian would classify Armenian as a Semetic language. That is simply hogwash.

[HyeJinx1984]

No reputable linguist or historian would classify Armenian as a Semetic language. That is simply hogwash.
Fine fine so I'm wrong, (god forbid anyone admits it when they are). Thanks for the correction, but again, I dno't like getting caught up on trivial things.

[IvyLipstick]

1) I am still waiting for you to show me where I said Armenians are Semetic.
2) You said (in a post that has been deleted by a moderator):

"You said "kill those rabiz" yea as well as those fraudulent Armenians from Lebanon that fight for Arabic freedom."

Your next insult? I need a lobotomy?


Ok? What bearing does that have on me saying what you accused me of? You cannot really sit there and insult and expect not to get it back but yes you said that and I spoon fed you back your own bs. Now, stick to the main issue: where did I say what you accused me of exactly?

Let the Armenian people of this forum know that I NEVER said Armenians support islamic middle easterners or terrorists.

As you were saying?

[IvyLipstick]

Fine fine so I'm wrong, (god forbid anyone admits it when they are). Thanks for the correction, but again, I dno't like getting caught up on trivial things.


HAHAH It wasnt a trivial matter when you wrote that long diatribe against me. Now you back peddle? I am sorry young man but that remark still does not absolve you. Basically, all of this time you were asserting that fallacy and all it took was 2-3 people to change your mind? Wow, now we really see who is ignorant and does not make sense. YES you are wrong and have been wrong and all I was trying to do was help you see that. Dont make me refer you back to your post that instigated all of this. :laugh:

[Darorinag]

Let the Armenian people of this forum know that I NEVER said Armenians support islamic middle easterners or terrorists.
lol. Unless me and a lot of people who read your posts the other day were hallucinating, you said the complete opposite of that the other day...

Edit: Oh yes, you still didn't answer question #1.

Btw, hello Beowulf29A. :D

[Darorinag]

No.. you know Arabic?!?!?! I'm so appalled!! You Terrorist Sympathizer you!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Damn right. :D :D :D

Seriously though, this may sound ignorant, but is there a lebanesse language or is the country's official language arabic?
The official language is Arabic. But there are a lot of differences in Lebanese Arabic and Arabic as spoken in Arab countries. French is also an official language.

[IvyLipstick]

Hyejinx as a fellow American: IT REALLY is important NOW because Armenians are getting categorized as something that can potentially affect and harm them under this document called THE PATRIOT ACT which says that they can accuse you of being "a middle easterner" and thus "linked to terrorism" without even any proof. WAke up and smell your xxxx you ve spewed. Therefore, IT IS important how you classify yourself in this nation. We determine your standing based upon that title and if it is the wrong title that Armenians are branded with, you will get the wrong treatment.

[HyeJinx1984]

HAHAH It wasnt a trivial matter when you wrote that long diatribe against me. Now you back peddle? I am sorry young man but that remark still does not absolve you. Basically, all of this time you were asserting that fallacy and all it took was 2-3 people to change your mind? Wow, now we really see who is ignorant and does not make sense. YES you are wrong and have been wrong and all I was trying to do was help you see that. Dont make me refer you back to your post that instigated all of this. :laugh:

2 or 3 people have also told me the other way around, it just so happens I'll believe Baron and Anon on this particular matter. And no, the long diatrab wasn't about the semetic issue.. that was just one sentence. The long diatrabe was about your usage of the word "Aryan"

[IvyLipstick]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Damn right. :D :D :D


The official language is Arabic. But there are a lot of differences in Lebanese Arabic and Arabic as spoken in Arab countries. French is also an official language.


Yes, there are also differences in Chinese too. And? Look, just because you couldnt back up what you said it does not give you any right to miscontrue all of my words to something they do not mean.

[Darorinag]

Hyejinx as a fellow American: IT REALLY is important NOW because Armenians are getting categorized as something that can potentially affect and harm them under this document called THE PATRIOT ACT which says that they can accuse you of being "a middle easterner" and thus "linked to terrorism" without even any proof. WAke up and smell your xxxx you ve spewed. Therefore, IT IS important how you classify yourself in this nation. We determine your standing based upon that title and if it is the wrong title that Armenians are branded with, you will get the wrong treatment.
Believe me, you are the last one to be giving advice or to be telling any one of us what to do or how to act or what to believe in. And I DO mean it.

News flash: Not all Armenians are from the Middle East.

[Darorinag]

Yes, there are also differences in Chinese too. And? Look, just because you couldnt back up what you said it does not give you any right to miscontrue all of my words to something they do not mean.
The argument is not about language. Quit picking up arguments along the way when it has nothing to do with that. Jesus Christ. You're now on my ignore list. Seriously, go post on SF.

[IvyLipstick]

2 or 3 people have also told me the other way around, it just so happens I'll believe Baron and Anon on this particular matter. And no, the long diatrab wasn't about the semetic issue.. that was just one sentence. The long diatrabe was about your usage of the word "Aryan"


How did I use Aryan? Tell me, please.

Also, for a further note: You shouldnt go by what people "say" even though what Baron and Anony said was true. That is your problem and many like your type, you go by what people SAY and regardless of whether it is true or not you will never care to analyze and this look foolish as you did earlier when you said Armenians are "semitic." I have also HEARD other people say that "the Armenian genocide was a war" you are saying I should believe that too? Just because 20 people said it?

By the way, I said Armenians are ARYAN (Indo-European family). How did I use that term?

[HyeJinx1984]

True, but when we say "Armenians are from [blank] region" I think we mean where Armenia is geographically located. And let's be honest, Middle East, Mediterranean, Indo-european, eurasian, they all sorta fit.. the interesting thing about Armenian's geography is that it's kind of the cross roads for that whole part of the world.

[IvyLipstick]

Believe me, you are the last one to be giving advice or to be telling any one of us what to do or how to act or what to believe in. And I DO mean it.

News flash: Not all Armenians are from the Middle East.


Newsflash: I never said all Armenians are from the middle east thus you deem yourself to be more doltish than you already are.

I could care less if you ignore me!

Look just to shut your mouth: I will give a crap about whatever allegation you say about me the day purple frogs come popping from my bra and rear end.

[Darorinag]

By the way, I said Armenians are ARYAN (Indo-European family). How did I use that term?
And how does that exactly imply that as a result they shouldn't be discussing Arab issues?

[HyeJinx1984]

How did I use Aryan? Tell me, please.

Also, for a further note: You shouldnt go by what people "say" even though what Baron and Anony said was true. That is your problem and many like your type, you go by what people SAY and regardless of whether it is true or not you will never care to analyze and this look foolish as you did earlier when you said Armenians are "semitic." I have also HEARD other people say that "the Armenian genocide was a war" you are saying I should believe that too? Just because 20 people said it?

By the way, I said Armenians are ARYAN (Indo-European family). How did I use that term?

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:p

[IvyLipstick]

True, but when we say "Armenians are from [blank] region" I think we mean where Armenia is geographically located. And let's be honest, Middle East, Mediterranean, Indo-european, eurasian, they all sorta fit.. the interesting thing about Armenian's geography is that it's kind of the cross roads for that whole part of the world.

Not really. If you really were to observe it from a closer view you would see that Europe and Asia in general have had this incident occur. There is no such thing as "mediterranean" unless you mean the Greek Cusine.

Europe, the planet's 6th largest continent, includes (46) countries, and a few dependencies, territories and regions.

More precisely said, Armenia is located on the southeastern edge of Europe, and at the gateway to the Middle East, and all of Asia. Armenia- this valuable geographical position for potential trade between continents became a curse of sorts. Over the centuries it was invaded and controlled by various empires, including the Roman, Byzantine, Arab, Persian, and Ottoman Turks from Central Asia.

[Darorinag]

Newsflash: I never said all Armenians are from the middle east thus you deem yourself to be more doltish than you already are.
You seem to have a problem understanding what you write:

IT REALLY is important NOW because Armenians are getting categorized as something that can potentially affect and harm them under this document called THE PATRIOT ACT which says that they can accuse you of being "a middle easterner" and thus "linked to terrorism" without even any proof.

Anyone can be accused of anything regardless of being Armenian or not. It matters little. If they don't need proof, they don't need proof. You can be a Turk, a Chinese, or a Zimbabwean, you'd still be caught if you have dissenting views, or in extreme cases, just expressing views that the government does not like. Therefore, it's irrelevant.

Look just to shut your mouth
I am surprised you are still posting on this forum. I am giving the moderators the benefit of the doubt though.

Oh yes, and you seem to be conveniently ignoring my references to SF. Someone got exposed?

[IvyLipstick]

DAMNIT XXXXX I'M SO SICK OF YOUR XXXXNG BULLXXXX!!! I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOU XXXX XXXXING XXXXX FACED XXXXX!!!!! I SWEAR, I'VE COMPLETELY LOST IT. I'M RIGHT, I'M RIGHT!!!! YOU XXXXING XXXXX, I'M RIGHT!!! YOU'RE WRONG!! ACCEPT IT YOU STUPID XXXX!!!!! YOU XXXXING XXXX XXX XXXX XXXX XXXXXING XXXXER XXXXXX EATING, PUNK XXXXX!!! XXX XXXXXX XXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX XXXXXXING XXXX XXXXX!!!!!!!! XXXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX DIE, STUPID XXXXX!!!!! XXXXXX XXXX XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXX XXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









:p Hmmm I am sure we can prescribe you some Lithium dosages. The mods here are very kind that way, fear not you will be saved.

[HyeJinx1984]

That felt good actually, I learned what it is to be you for a minute. *lets out a relieved sigh* Mm.. I need a cigerette...

[IvyLipstick]

You seem to have a problem understanding what you write:



Anyone can be accused of anything regardless of being Armenian or not. It matters little. If they don't need proof, they don't need proof. You can be a Turk, a Chinese, or a Zimbabwean, you'd still be caught if you have dissenting views, or in extreme cases, just expressing views that the government does not like. Therefore, it's irrelevant.


I am surprised you are still posting on this forum. I am giving the moderators the benefit of the doubt though.

Yes Saddam, you CAN BE but they (if you look at the records they targetted middle eastern AMERICAN citizens) taking them to the worst jails all over. That is why it is best to not spew out fallacies about your people because they without proof can come and arrest them all because they "think" you are linked to terrorism even though you are not. It is dangerous. Your whole raving has no validity though that is the problems because your thoughts and words do not correspond.

[Darorinag]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Still waiting for the click clack.

[Darorinag]

You are an idiot. The views of one person do not reflect the views of an entire race. What are they going to do - arrest all Armenians? :laugh:

Are you as paranoid in real life as you appear to be online? Spending too much time on SF can do that to one.

Still conveniently ignoring the SF comment. :p

[HyeJinx1984]

You are an idiot. The views of one person do not reflect the views of an entire race. What are they going to do - arrest all Armenians? :laugh:

Arrest us? No! haven't you been paying attention? she's trying to PROTECT us from the patriot act!

[Darorinag]

:laugh: :laugh: Such goodwill. Truly, if everyone were so kind as to go around to Armenian forums and warn us, we'd all be saved. :laugh:

Ohhhhh, WWJD (What would Jesus Do)? :confused:

:laugh:

[IvyLipstick]

You are an idiot. The views of one person do not reflect the views of an entire race. What are they going to do - arrest all Armenians? :laugh:


YES it really does. That is why this is scary you cretin. Oh my gosh, you are by far the most bleating infidel ever. ARMENIANS ARE NOT A RACE. EVen calling you a moron is an understatement after you said that. Wow, do Armenians really breed stupid people like you? Geez, they will not go after "all at once" as they do in your desert in Lebanon. They will unfairly target the rest and innocent people will be in prison without even having reasons as to why they are being imprisoned supposedly "being linked to terrorism" THAT IS WHAT THE PATRIOT ACT DOES MORON: IT STRIPS AWAY ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS .

So to put it in a simpler way for your mind: "Will one person s view matter?"
YES

[IvyLipstick]

:laugh: :laugh: Such goodwill. Truly, if everyone were so kind as to go around to Armenian forums and warn us, we'd all be saved. :laugh:

Ohhhhh, WWJD (What would Jesus Do)? :confused:

:laugh:


Can you please and honestly sound a bit less condescending and keep your rubbish to yourself where it belongs? Unlike you, who goes around like a bleating oaf with a nationalistic message, I was just sticking to the premise of the argument and telling you what you did not know and need to know. Where did I mention I was your little savior? Honestly, I do not think you can be saved psychologically or physically. You are way too dramatic and too much of a fanatic for your own good.

[HyeJinx1984]

How are we not a race?

[Darorinag]

Where did I say Armenians are a race? Yet again, you jump to conclusions and put words into my mouth.

Here's to your idiocy *drinks some wine*.

Oh yes, still ignoring the SF comment. Miss Beowulf, eh?

[IvyLipstick]

Arrest us? No! haven't you been paying attention? she's trying to PROTECT us from the patriot act!

Hey hopefully you have heard about that. It really scares me to think that innocent Armenians who have a simple mind due to their fallacy will be placed in confinement just for preaching such nonsense like a certain someone.

[HyeJinx1984]

Hey hopefully you have heard about that. It really scares me to think that innocent Armenians who have a simple mind due to their fallacy will be placed in confinement just for preaching such nonsense like a certain someone.

Man that's it, I'm sick of this... when are we gonna xxxx already?

[IvyLipstick]

How are we not a race?


Because RACE is a general term based upon origin and color.


We are an ethnicity that belongs to the WHITE RACE as are the Greeks ITalians Germans Spaniards etc.

[IvyLipstick]

Where did I say Armenians are a race? Yet again, you jump to conclusions and put words into my mouth.

Here's to your idiocy *drinks some wine*.

Oh yes, still ignoring the SF comment. Miss Beowulf, eh?


Yes I ignore your delusional lunacy. Um why dont you dig it up from your library of posts that you are hiding and deleting when proven stupid, and I will show you where you said Armenians are a race.

[Darorinag]

Can you please and honestly sound a bit less condescending and keep your rubbish to yourself where it belongs? Unlike you, who goes around like a bleating oaf with a nationalistic message, I was just sticking to the premise of the argument and telling you what you did not know and need to know. Where did I mention I was your little savior? Honestly, I do not think you can be saved psychologically or physically. You are way too dramatic and too much of a fanatic for your own good.
OK, so tell me this:

So you're trying to save Armenians or at least to let them know that they're doing the wrong thing by expressing whatever little sympathy towards Arabs, etc. But how did this point come up? Where did I express any sympathy towards Arabs in this or any other thread? I don't even remember saying that "not all Arabs are terrorists." It seems to me that you are on your soap box and haven't come off it, and have made it your daily habit to rant about this regardless of whether or not it is relevant to the thread.

[HyeJinx1984]

Because RACE is a general term based upon origin and color.


We are an ethnicity that belongs to the WHITE RACE as are the Greeks ITalians Germans Spaniards etc.

I believe we are based upon Origin. And as far as I knew, Race and Ethnicity are the same thing... like hip hop and rap, people just try to pretend their different for no good reason. And again, you say "we"... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you state before that you are NOT Armenian?

[IvyLipstick]

Sorry Hyejinx I aim higher hun.

[Darorinag]

Um why dont you dig it up from your library of posts that you are hiding and deleting when proven stupid, and I will show you where you said Armenians are a race.
lmao.. hiding and deleting threads? I don't think one can do that. I am not a moderator. And if I edit threads 30 seconds after I've posted them, it would show the "edited" line under my signature. Nice try, genius. Now show me where I said Armenians are a race.

[HyeJinx1984]

It seems to me that you are on your soap box and haven't come off it

Shh!!! it's a very tall soap box and we can get a good look under her skirt from here, so shut up and have a smirnoff :p

[IvyLipstick]

I believe we are based upon Origin. And as far as I knew, Race and Ethnicity are the same thing... like hip hop and rap, people just try to pretend their different for no good reason. And again, you say "we"... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you state before that you are NOT Armenian?

No they are not the same thing which is why they are totally different things. One is a component of another. You are comparing genre of music to people?


No we= white people.


Armenian is an ETHNICITY that BELONGS to the WHITE RACE therefore they are not the same. It is time you correct your misconceptions.

[IvyLipstick]

lmao.. hiding and deleting threads? I don't think one can do that. I am not a moderator. And if I edit threads 30 seconds after I've posted them, it would show the "edited" line under my signature. Nice try, genius. Now show me where I said Armenians are a race.

It is in the earlier posts. I am not going to scour through the pages and show you your own stupidity again. Even if I caught you red handed you would deny it, therefore there really is no point. You can delete your message pal.

[Darorinag]

HyeJinx, don't mind her. She somehow made her way to this place from Stormfront (the neo-Nazi forum). Not that it makes her any less credible, but I think she has proven to be paranoid, utterly confused, and generally idiotic. :laugh:

[HyeJinx1984]

Armenian is an ETHNICITY that BELONGS to the WHITE RACE therefore they are not the same. It is time you correct your misconceptions.

Wanna dress up like a teacher and correct them for me Ms. Ivy? I promise to behave in detention.. ;) :naughty:

[Darorinag]

It is in the earlier threads. I am not going to scour through the pages and show you your own stupidity again. Even if I caught you red handed you would deny it, therefore there really is no point.
Nice fallacy, genius. I doubt that if you had the chance to prove me wrong, you would miss it. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now again, I ask you to dig out that thread, or admit that your accusations are unbased and fallacious. :D :D :D

having fun yet?

[HyeJinx1984]

The mods are gonna be so pissed at us when they wake up tomorrow...

[HyeJinx1984]

Alright, that's it... I'm pooped. We'll continue our lover's dance later, ok doll? ;) Night night board...

[Darorinag]

It's a shame this thread turned into yet another place for IvyLipstick to air her frustrations. :(

[IvyLipstick]

Nice fallacy, genius. I doubt that if you had the chance to prove me wrong, you would miss it. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Now again, I ask you to dig out that thread, or admit that your accusations are unbased and fallacious. :D :D :D

having fun yet?


Look, you deleted that because I saw it earlier HENCE why I questioned it. I think your mind freezes after each post then it clears thus why you forget.

[IvyLipstick]

It's a shame this thread turned into yet another place for IvyLipstick to air her frustrations. :(


Yea it is a shame that you got here and clogged up yet another thread with your arbitrary beliefs and trite existence.

[IvyLipstick]

HyeJinx, don't mind her. She somehow made her way to this place from Stormfront (the neo-Nazi forum). Not that it makes her any less credible, but I think she has proven to be paranoid, utterly confused, and generally idiotic. :laugh:


Yes I am the neo-nazi LOL. Yet everything about you resembles Hitler except you do it for the Arabs.

[IvyLipstick]

I believe we are based upon Origin. And as far as I knew, Race and Ethnicity are the same thing... like hip hop and rap, people just try to pretend their different for no good reason. And again, you say "we"... correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you state before that you are NOT Armenian?


I told you: I am a mix of various European people in the "Introduce" thread. Do not see how you missed that.

[Darorinag]

Look, you deleted that because I saw it earlier HENCE why I questioned it. I think your mind freezes after each post then it clears thus why you forget.
If you can't prove it, don't say it. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Adios Beowulf. :wave:

[IvyLipstick]

If you can't prove it, don't say it. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Adios Beowulf. :wave:


Prove that? I just told you, you are the type that even if I was to catch you red handed, you would find some excuse or quick lie to cover that up. I dont need to prove the obvious fact that you said that. If you really cant make sense, dont attempt to belittle me.

[HyeJinx1984]

I told you: I am a mix of various European people in the "Introduce" thread. Do not see how you missed that.
But never said Armenian was one of them. In fact if I remember correctly you stated that you are in fact not Armenian but know a lot of Armenian people.

[IvyLipstick]

But never said Armenian was one of them. In fact if I remember correctly you stated that you are in fact not Armenian but know a lot of Armenian people.


Ok sir, I want you to do me a favor and CLOSE one ear and read this, that way it stays in:

Ready?

I am NOT Armenian. I said WE meaning all of us White people which also includes you. Yes I am a mixture of various European people but mostly Anglo-Saxon and some Slavic. Either way, it is still White. And when I said WE I meant WHITE people as in Armenians and the rest of my ancestry.

[HyeJinx1984]

Ugh, please don't group me in with that as I still resist the idea of being identified as white since "White" isn't just a color anymore, it has a very specific cultural meaning... the term "white" and "white boy" reffers to something very specific, to a culture that is NOT the same as other people who, yes, may have white skin, but culturally, are very different then what people consider "white." So although I appreciate your passion for the subject... don't call me white, that's one of the many reasons I broke up with my ex-girlfriend and it just irritates me to be called white because, in my humble opinion, it's a form of assimilation that I am very much opposed to. And yes, that was one long ass run on sentence.

[IvyLipstick]

Ugh, please don't group me in with that as I still resist the idea of being identified as white since "White" isn't just a color anymore, it has a very specific cultural meaning... the term "white" and "white boy" reffers to something very specific, to a culture that is NOT the same as other people who, yes, may have white skin, but culturally, are very different then what people consider "white." So although I appreciate your passion for the subject... don't call me white, that's one of the many reasons I broke up with my ex-girlfriend and it just irritates me to be called white because, in my humble opinion, it's a form of assimilation that I am very much opposed to. And yes, that was one long ass run on sentence.


Excuse me? WHAT? ARe you a total moron? White= White, who cares waht some ignoramus in your HS said? YOU ARE NOT ASSIMULATING TO ANYTHING YOU RETARD. LOL OMG. YOU WERE ALWAYS WHITE AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN WHITE. Whatever you reason you chose to self-hate is your narrowmind s fault. Anyone who agrees with your false notion is obviously a mentally inept moron, I am sorry. You are White.

White has different types to it. You guys and Greeks are not the same type of White as Germans or Irish. Russians and Armenians are not the same type of White. Either way:

Dutch German Italian Spaniard Russian Portugese Armenian Yugoslavian, Romanian Finnish Swedish Swiss Armenian Greek Estonian Moldovan Lativians all Scandinavians Ukrainian British Irish Scottish Welsh Georgians Croatians Luxemborgians French Bulgarians Icelandic and Norweigians ARE ALL WHITE AND YES THEY ARE DETERMINED THAT BY THEIR SKIN HOW ELSE CAN YOU DETERMINE THAT? THEY ARE ALL WHITE AKA CAUCASIAN (scientific term).

[IvyLipstick]

The facts and wordly knowledge doesnt change just because hyejinx has this tainted view of what a certain thing is or whatever he feels "sucks" based upon his invalid opinion. And no you are not assimulating because that would mean all of us here and all over Europe are "assimulating" when we are not. You were White in Armenia and will always remain White anywhere else you go. Stop this ignorant crap by asserting what you did. Thank you.

[HyeJinx1984]

For once I'm being nice to you. But I learned my lesson.

"White" is a meaningless term that people should not focus on really. What the hell does that mean? I guess if there are "white" people there are "yellow people" "brown people" and "red people" and of course "black people"... but those are meaningless terms, it doesn't mean anything to be called white. Being white doesn't unite people, being white isn't a racial group. "White" is meaningless, there's nothing to gain or loose by it. The color of your skin does not determine your culture or ethnicity, and forgive me for feeling this way, but if it doesn't do that, then it does nothing for me and it is just a word and useless tool to be used by people such as yourself, which doesn't help or hurt anything. "white" is such a useless term the fact that people use it to describe cultures other than the super-white of suburban america is completely ridiculous. Being white tells me nothing about a person, knowing they're Armenian does, there for if someone asks me "what ethnicity are you?" or "what race are you?" I'll answer Armenian because that narrows it right down to my heritage and culture, saying teh word white, as you like to do, doesn't get anyone anywhere and it's really a stupid term. I don't know why you're so in love with it.

[Virgil]

For once I'm being nice to you. But I learned my lesson.

"White" is a meaningless term that people should not focus on really. What the hell does that mean? I guess if there are "white" people there are "yellow people" "brown people" and "red people" and of course "black people"... but those are meaningless terms, it doesn't mean anything to be called white. Being white doesn't unite people, being white isn't a racial group. "White" is meaningless, there's nothing to gain or loose by it. The color of your skin does not determine your culture or ethnicity, and forgive me for feeling this way, but if it doesn't do that, then it does nothing for me and it is just a word and useless tool to be used by people such as yourself, which doesn't help or hurt anything. "white" is such a useless term the fact that people use it to describe cultures other than the super-white of suburban america is completely ridiculous. Being white tells me nothing about a person, knowing they're Armenian does, there for if someone asks me "what ethnicity are you?" or "what race are you?" I'll answer Armenian because that narrows it right down to my heritage and culture, saying teh word white, as you like to do, doesn't get anyone anywhere and it's really a stupid term. I don't know why you're so in love with it.

Hyejinx, you are right my white skin only means then that I am a black man trapped in a white man's body. :crying:

[Darorinag]

What does it matter if Armenians are white or not? A lot of Armenians (if not most) wouldn't even count as white, unless of course you consider Palestinians white as well....

[Darorinag]

Prove that? I just told you, you are the type that even if I was to catch you red handed, you would find some excuse or quick lie to cover that up. I dont need to prove the obvious fact that you said that. If you really cant make sense, dont attempt to belittle me.
It doesn't matter. Like I said, if you can't prove it, don't say it. Your word won't be taken for granted because, I hate to break it to you, you are not God. :cool:

So yes indeed, if you have something to prove, prove it. Otherwise, stop b*tching and trying to belittle me with your petty accusations. And stop turning this against me (like everything else - you're an expert at twisting things and turning them against others when it's YOU who's doing something wrong - but I suppose that comes with being a "white" nationalist), because it is not I who's trying to belittle you. All I'm asking for is proof that I deleted my posts. Now prove it. Or shut the hell up. :D :D :D :D :D :D

[IvyLipstick]

For once I'm being nice to you. But I learned my lesson.

"White" is a meaningless term that people should not focus on really. What the hell does that mean? I guess if there are "white" people there are "yellow people" "brown people" and "red people" and of course "black people"... but those are meaningless terms, it doesn't mean anything to be called white. Being white doesn't unite people, being white isn't a racial group. "White" is meaningless, there's nothing to gain or loose by it. The color of your skin does not determine your culture or ethnicity, and forgive me for feeling this way, but if it doesn't do that, then it does nothing for me and it is just a word and useless tool to be used by people such as yourself, which doesn't help or hurt anything. "white" is such a useless term the fact that people use it to describe cultures other than the super-white of suburban america is completely ridiculous. Being white tells me nothing about a person, knowing they're Armenian does, there for if someone asks me "what ethnicity are you?" or "what race are you?" I'll answer Armenian because that narrows it right down to my heritage and culture, saying teh word white, as you like to do, doesn't get anyone anywhere and it's really a stupid term. I don't know why you're so in love with it.


Yes dolt, there are. Brown= what Latinos classify themselves as. Black= African American. White= Europeans Yellow= Orientals and all of Asia and Red= Native Americans.

OMG you are a total idiotic moron, no joking around. If someone asks you "what RACE are you" If you say Armenian then you are only a few fries short of a happy meal. AND YES IT IS A GENERAL QUESTION YOU DUPE.

"WHAT RACE ARE YOU?"= General question "WHAT ETHNICITY ARE YOU"= more specific question.

But you are of Armenian ethnicity that belongs to the WHITE race. Why are you miscontruing the meaning and going by what you are famous for as always: by people's skewed false notions you experienced from rednecks in school? The facts prove and speak for themselves and I think you are going about looking at this issue the wrong way.

[IvyLipstick]

It doesn't matter. Like I said, if you can't prove it, don't say it. Your word won't be taken for granted because, I hate to break it to you, you are not God. :cool:

So yes indeed, if you have something to prove, prove it. Otherwise, stop b*tching and trying to belittle me with your petty accusations. And stop turning this against me (like everything else - you're an expert at twisting things and turning them against others when it's YOU who's doing something wrong - but I suppose that comes with being a "white" nationalist), because it is not I who's trying to belittle you. All I'm asking for is proof that I deleted my posts. Now prove it. Or shut the hell up. :D :D :D :D :D :D

No no, I can prove it but I just cannot prove it to YOU because you are a stubborn hollow minded cad. You deleted your message knowing I would call you on that. Whatever, move on and take your own advice into consideration with your false claims and non-stop boring tirades, the more you speak the more you confirm my point.

[IvyLipstick]

Hyejinx, you are right my white skin only means then that I am a black man trapped in a white man's body. :crying: HAHAHAHAHHAA I will give that from a scale of 1-10 a 10+.

He is too mentally impaired to see that no one said CULTURE is determined by skin color. CULTURE RACE AND ETHNICITY ARE THREE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS yet he chooses to interwind them together to somewhat give his ridiculous point some meaning when it lacks it.

If you are WHITE you are WHITE what the hell does CULTURE have to do with it? HAHAHA. You are still an Armenian that has his or her own damn heritage but White Black Red YEllow Brown have nothing to do with your cultural customs. YES certain races have incorporated or invented their own customs but still that does not mean you in any way CHANGE that from a skin color LOL Oh man, he was obviously bounced on the head as a kid.

[HyeJinx1984]

If all "race" means is the color of your skin, why would people ask me? Wouldn't it be self evident? And if it is self-evident, then why is it an issue? The only issue should be your ethnicity. Now if someone asks what race I am, they can tell by looking at me that I'm not Asian, or black, they can tell I'm of a white extraction.. so wouldn't we seem like idiots having that conversation? "Hey white looking dude, what race are you?" "well good sir, I am white!" I mean come on, it's the stupidest thing in the world. The truth is when most people ask "what race are you?" they're asking what ethnicity or cultural background you are despite what the technical or IvyLipstick definition of the word may be.

I guess what I'm getting at is just because Armenians are of a white race, they doesn't give you license to reffer to us as "we"... we do not share the same history, culture, events, language, traditions, ANYTHING. You and I are not 'WE', we will never be 'WE', just because we are both of white extraction gives us NOTHING to have in common but that one self evident an dultimately meaningless trait of pigmentation. You and I are NOT 'WE' simply cause you're a mut of indo-european backgrounds.

I'd also like to add that I'm very disapointed with our mommies and daddies in the moderator world, because if we can ban a venom spewing disrespectful idiot like Archtype88, why have we done nothing about this person?

[Virgil]

If all "race" means is the color of your skin, why would people ask me? Wouldn't it be self evident? And if it is self-evident, then why is it an issue? The only issue should be your ethnicity. Now if someone asks what race I am, they can tell by looking at me that I'm not Asian, or black, they can tell I'm of a white extraction.. so wouldn't we seem like idiots having that conversation? "Hey white looking dude, what race are you?" "well good sir, I am white!" I mean come on, it's the stupidest thing in the world. The truth is when most people ask "what race are you?" they're asking what ethnicity or cultural background you are despite what the technical or IvyLipstick definition of the word may be.

I guess what I'm getting at is just because Armenians are of a white race, they doesn't give you license to reffer to us as "we"... we do not share the same history, culture, events, language, traditions, ANYTHING. You and I are not 'WE', we will never be 'WE', just because we are both of white extraction gives us NOTHING to have in common but that one self evident an dultimately meaningless trait of pigmentation. You and I are NOT 'WE' simply cause you're a mut of indo-european backgrounds.

I'd also like to add that I'm very disapointed with our mommies and daddies in the moderator world, because if we can ban a venom spewing disrespectful idiot like Archtype88, why have we done nothing about this person?

Hyejinx, historically the Asia Minor and the Armenian highland has
been "white" and or "European". Unless of course, you are insisting that our language is actually a "Semitic" language? Anyways, I do not care and or do I care to argue with you. I would prefer to be Armenian as opposed to white, but in my opinion it is inconsistent to label Armenians a non-white race. However, if Turkey gets into the EU my opinions will drastically change, good day.

[Virgil]

By the way, in no way is it gratifying being labeled "white" and or "European" when we had a civilization that predates these labels. However, in order to be consistent with "western" historians and or our own origins we must be labeled "white" and or "European". My argument is made on the basis of consistency, thus, if Armenians are not "white" and or "European" then Greeks, Persians, and the rest of our ancient contemporaries including those that are extinct, equally, are not "white" and or "European" as well.

[HyeJinx1984]

What I was talking about, and it still baffles me that no one is quite getting what I'm saying although you've come the closest, is that yes we are white, but that's not what I'd identify myself as, and what I identify myself as is the important thing. Someone asks a xxxish person "what background are you?" most of them say "xxxish" even though that's not even a race OR ethnicity, that's a religeon.. but that's what they are first, and they're polish or israeli or whatever else second.

What I'm saying is WE as a people should, and for the most part do, identify as Armenian FIRST. Yes, we're white, indo european, christian, etc, etc... but and first and foremost menk hyenk. Period. If you don't have that first requirement don't come up to me and use the term "WE" and pretend like we're in the same group or something. That's what I'm trying to get into that thick skull Ivy's got. Then again even if I did come up with the best arguement in the world she'd ignore it, laugh like a hyena, call me names, and then still claim to be "we."

[Virgil]

Hyejinx, please do not use xxxs as a example. There is no such thing as a “xxx", sorry, but I just do not like the double standard they use to define themselves. They have a flavor for every day of the year and what I mean by that is that one day they are an "ethnicity", while another they are a "religion".

I have no problem with what ever else you are trying to prove, but do not compare Armenians with xxxs.

[Darorinag]

lol, yes I am white, but who the feck cares, seriously? if you want to talk about the physical anthropology of whites, i recommend skadiforum or something. :rolleyes:

Also, I was asking you to prove it for the whole forum, not just me. So go ahead. Prove it for them. :D :D Fact: You can't prove it because I didn't delete it. If not, prove to everyone that I'm lying. Do it. :D

Edit: Yes, I'll be asking you to prove that I deleted that thread until you do so. :naughty:

[Darorinag]

Hyejinx, please do not use xxxs as a example. There is no such thing as a “xxx", sorry, but I just do not like the double standard they use to define themselves. They have a flavor for every day of the year and what I mean by that is that one day they are an "ethnicity", while another they are a "religion".

I have no problem with what ever else you are trying to prove, but do not compare Armenians with xxxs.
I will have to agree with you on this. xxxs are manipulators, that's what they are. :mad:

[HyeJinx1984]

Hyejinx, please do not use xxxs as a example. There is no such thing as a “xxx", sorry, but I just do not like the double standard they use to define themselves. They have a flavor for every day of the year and what I mean by that is that one day they are an "ethnicity", while another they are a "religion".

I have no problem with what ever else you are trying to prove, but do not compare Armenians with xxxs.

I wasn't comparing. I was using as the most extreme example of "identifying with what you are first" I never compared Armenians to xxxs, I simply used them as an example. This board needs to stop being so xxxaphobic. It's gotten to the point where simply mentioning a xxx in any context as an example of anythin is just a way for people to get upset.

[Darorinag]

xxxs do not identify with anything other than gains. It matters little to them what they are. They have used the label "xxx" to get what they want, and that's it.

Ohhh yes, when xxxs stop being everyone-but-xxxs-phobic, I will stop being "xxxphobic".. get the idea? It's called mutual respect.

[HyeJinx1984]

OK ok I don't want to talk about xxxs, that doesn't interest me. I hear about xxxs enough when hanging out with my friends. Enough about Jes. I'm all xxxed out.

[Darorinag]

lol..... Frankly, I don't want to hear about xxxs either. But they force themselves on others with their attention-seeking. :mad: ANyway, off my soap box I go.

[Emil]

Ivy,

Stop being rude towards other forum members. You're passionate about your view points, but refrain from being rude towards other members. First warning.